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Trump's Second Term

The Economist wrote, "Mr Patel is especially keen on pursuing leakers and their friends in the media. “When you have an underlying illegality committed by a government agent, anyone that participates in that illegality can and should be charged,” Mr Patel has said. He has also suggested “clawback mechanisms” for the money that news outlets make “by printing lies”." He does not evince much respect for freedom of the press.
 
LiteBright said:
I've also never seen this level of unity and anger here. Americans in Canada had better watch their backs. They shouldn't feel safe here whatsoever.


I have never seen this level of anger towards the US in my entire life. People are literally talking about vandalizing cars with American plates right now. It will only get worse as the effects of these tariffs begin to sink in.
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*sighs and crosses Canada off the list of countries to flee to*
 
a_unique_person said:
He hasn't got anything against them. He just sees them as a weak target to bully.
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Yeah, it's interesting that on the one hand he slaps a 25% tariff on a supposed ally, Canada, and only a 10% tariff on a supposed adversary, China.

You're almost certainly correct that Trump is just going after perceived weakness. In fact, that perceived weakness is likely a result of other countries believing they can trust the United States so presume they have less to be on their guard about.

Similarly a lot of countries have benefitted from US soft power and aid throughout the decades and as a result have good relations with the US. Panama has traditionally been one of those countries, as well as NATO countries.

I think the biggest take-away a lot of countries are going to have from the Trump era is that the US should not be trusted to the same extent ever again. To be fair, Trump won't have been the first to make countries come to that conclusion, but I think he will have made them conclude that to a much more profound effect.
 
LiteBright said:
Trump's tariffs are nothing short of an act of war. This will be the biggest economic upheaval in my lifetime. Nothing else even comes close.

I've also never seen this level of unity and anger here. Americans in Canada had better watch their backs. They shouldn't feel safe here whatsoever.

As far as I'm concerned nothing should be off the table for Canada's response. Electricity exports should be cut immediately. Let the morons sit in the dark. A 100% tariff on all Tesla and musk owned products as well as a 25% tariff on every other piece of ◊◊◊◊ america produces.

The world needs to unite against this and make the US feel some pain for a change.
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A friend of mine in Vancouver says the same thing. Whereas Canada was going somewhere to splitting into a similarly divided MAGA-esque right and a Trudeau liberal-left, now apparenly almost everyone is completely pissed off with the US.

There's nothing like a good bad guy to come together to despise. Maybe the orange slug is doing Canada a favour if only by accident.
 
Resume said:
There are a few posters around here that claim Trump hate causes bias in his critics who are blinded to his good qualities, like his behavior in this press conference, for example.
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One of the reasons I hate him is because I'm a veteran, and he has said many, many nasty things about my fellow vets, and has also used their graves as props to further his political career. There's also more to hate about him because he's a stupid, lying, fat clown, and his maga weirdoes are even worse.

That said, I do try to keep an open mind about what he does, and so far, it's mostly stupid s**** (like that's a surprise), and I know some folks might violently disagree with me, but out of all his nominees, at least his pick to head the Secret Service, Sean Curran, makes some sense.

I'm willing to give Mr. Curran a chance, but I'd still like to know what everyone else thinks.


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AmyStrange said:
One of the reasons I hate him is because I'm a veteran, and he has said many, many nasty things about my fellow vets, and has also used their graves as props to further his political career. There's also more to hate about him because he's a stupid, lying, fat clown, and his maga weirdoes are even worse.

That said, I do try to keep an open mind about what he does, and so far, it's mostly stupid s**** (like that's a surprise), and I know some folks might violently disagree with me, but out of all his nominees, at least his pick to head the Secret Service, Sean Curran, makes some sense.

I'm willing to give him a chance, but I'd still like to know what everyone else thinks of Mr. Curran.


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That's one of the reasons he hired Hegseth, IMHO. After his experience with the senior military in his first administration, the last thing he wanted was another general who couldn't hide his contempt for Trump.
 
Silly Green Monkey said:
*sighs and crosses Canada off the list of countries to flee to*
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Cross Australia and NZ off too- the level of anti americanism here at the moment is the highest I have ever seen it...

You might find some tiny backwards rural town in Qld or WA that has a lot of rightwingers in it- I would have said three months ago that even some republicans wouldn't have felt too out of place in my town for example (lots of sunday christians, guns and a general lack of education would have made them feel right at home I would have thought) but trumps managed to get even them offside (many families in this area lost kids in WW2 so they kinda don't like those flying nazi flags and acting all fascist)

When the rural Queenslanders think trump a complete wanker, well, thats not going to leave many places still open...
Sadly, even the 'goodun's are going to be tarred with the same brush...
 
Just out of curiosity, wouldn't it be totally in favor for the Dems if Canada joined the US, in terms of voting on election?
And would Canada join as one single big state or would it join with its multiple states?
 
Stacyhs said:
Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) is scathing in his questioning of Kash Patel during the nomination hearings. He masterfully use Patel's own words against him showing Patel's true character. He gives an excellent warning of the danger of nominees like Patel:
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That Trump would even nominate a man like Patel is reason enough to convince any reasonable person that he is unfit for office. Sadly, MAGA and most Trump supporters are not reasonable people.

To see Whitehouse's epic takedown of Patel and Patel's pathetic attempts to defend himself:
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While entertaining, I have always wondered about the relevance of these questioning, because it appears to me that nominees always get the job, no matter how “tough” the questioning is. Has any GOP senator had the guts to vote against a Trump nominee?
 
angrysoba said:
Yeah, it's interesting that on the one hand he slaps a 25% tariff on a supposed ally, Canada, and only a 10% tariff on a supposed adversary, China.

You're almost certainly correct that Trump is just going after perceived weakness. In fact, that perceived weakness is likely a result of other countries believing they can trust the United States so presume they have less to be on their guard about.

Similarly a lot of countries have benefitted from US soft power and aid throughout the decades and as a result have good relations with the US. Panama has traditionally been one of those countries, as well as NATO countries.

I think the biggest take-away a lot of countries are going to have from the Trump era is that the US should not be trusted to the same extent ever aga To be fair, Trump won't have been the first to make countries come to that conclusion, but I think he will have made them conclude that to a much more profound effect.
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I think this is true. Most countries come to a deal after often years of negotiation to achieve something that is mutually acceptable. Most deals have agreements as to their modification and resolving disputes. The first Trump presidency, Trump withdrew from deals, refused to participate in previously agreed dispute resolution mechanisms, threatened to sanction persons involved in dispute resolution etc. But the Trump presidency was then seen as a one off. But he is back, and the assumption is that if 'Bully Diplomacy' is seen as successful by the US it will continue. Biden didn't reverse all of Trump's policies, even those he may have thought wrong (e.g. on Cuba). Bully diplomacy is likely to be successful for the US, bullies do get what they want. In future other countries will be reluctant to make deals with the US other than transient ones, as US policy will be seen as arbitrary and changeable, and entirely one sided. The country that will gain most is China, countries will rather deal with a country that is seen as stable and consistent and follows international law. Even Russia will be seen as more consistent in its support for allies.
 
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