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Trump's Second Term

All this . . . thing did was to guarantee the U.S. will experience a briefcase nuke somewhere in the future.

Or am I being too cynical?
I understand the cynicism. I don't expect that. But I do think it guarantees strikes against the United States. And it's hard to say we don't deserve them when we do things like this.
 
All this . . . thing did was to guarantee the U.S. will experience a briefcase nuke somewhere in the future.

Or am I being too cynical?
Not cynical, just inaccurate; nukes can't really fit in a suitcase let alone a briefcase. As someone mentioned before, it'll probably be a bioweapon.
 
I thin Trump's air strikes were a terrible mistake, but let's not whitewash the Iranian goverment. it is pretty obvious they are after a Nuclear Weapon.
and Most of the experts I have read disagre with you about how far along Iran is in it's quest.
I have never understood why so many on the Left basically try to carry the water for the Ayatollahs, except it is a :Enemy of my enemy is my fireind kind oof thing.
Most of the intelligence agencies (including US) had determined that Iran had NOT decided to construct nuclear weapons, and were NOT constructing nuclear weapons. They were developing the resources that would allow them to do so if they decided to. They were in the position that they could produce weapons grade uranium within weeks / months. There is still a big step between producing weapons grade uranium and constructing nuclear weapons. Remember that of the eight countries who have possessed nuclear weapons (not counting ex soviet states) one has decommissioned their weapons and only one has ever used them. Almost certainly the main intent of Iran in obtaining a nuclear weapon would be to deter the sort of attack that it is undergoing. To repeat Iran is the only country to have been attacked by WMD since WW2. Also to repeat Khamenei (the supreme leader) has been consistently against their development and use, which is probably why there was no attempt to assassinate him as there is no guarantee a successor would have the same view.
 
Most of the intelligence agencies (including US) had determined that Iran had NOT decided to construct nuclear weapons, and were NOT constructing nuclear weapons. They were developing the resources that would allow them to do so if they decided to. They were in the position that they could produce weapons grade uranium within weeks / months. There is still a big step between producing weapons grade uranium and constructing nuclear weapons. Remember that of the eight countries who have possessed nuclear weapons (not counting ex soviet states) one has decommissioned their weapons and only one has ever used them. Almost certainly the main intent of Iran in obtaining a nuclear weapon would be to deter the sort of attack that it is undergoing. To repeat Iran is the only country to have been attacked by WMD since WW2. Also to repeat Khamenei (the supreme leader) has been consistently against their development and use, which is probably why there was no attempt to assassinate him as there is no guarantee a successor would have the same view.
If nukes was not their goal, why enrich uranium to 60%? There is no civilian use for 60% HEU.
 
If nukes was not their goal, why enrich uranium to 60%? There is no civilian use for 60% HEU.
To prove they could? As a bargaining chip? To improve their technological capabilities? The fact is that is that all the evidence presented says they didn't even have a functional bomb program let alone being weeks away from building one. All Trump has done is further destabilize the Middle East and increase the risks to US citizens around the world.
 
I thin Trump's air strikes were a terrible mistake, but let's not whitewash the Iranian goverment. it is pretty obvious they are after a Nuclear Weapon.
and Most of the experts I have read disagre with you about how far along Iran is in it's quest.
I have never understood why so many on the Left basically try to carry the water for the Ayatollahs, except it is a :Enemy of my enemy is my fireind kind oof thing.
I'm not white washing Iran. But: "As of 2025, Natanz is enriching uranium up to 60% U-235, a level approaching weapons-grade." (wikipedia) So, 60% is not weapons grade. And there are steps after you get 90%.
 
To prove they could? As a bargaining chip? To improve their technological capabilities? The fact is that is that all the evidence presented says they didn't even have a functional bomb program let alone being weeks away from building one. All Trump has done is further destabilize the Middle East and increase the risks to US citizens around the world.
Surely Iran understands that enrichment to 60% would scare the crap out of the USA and Israel, causing them to consider military action. If they kept enrichment levels to purely civilian numbers, 4%, they would have a damn good argument that their intentions are purely peaceful.
 
I'm not white washing Iran. But: "As of 2025, Natanz is enriching uranium up to 60% U-235, a level approaching weapons-grade." (wikipedia) So, 60% is not weapons grade. And there are steps after you get 90%.
And there is the question of how much of that work was done after Trump tore up the previous deal.
 
Surely Iran understands that enrichment to 60% would scare the crap out of the USA and Israel, causing them to consider military action. If they kept enrichment levels to purely civilian numbers, 4%, they would have a damn good argument that their intentions are purely peaceful.
And they did understand that and signed a deal agreeing not. They stuck to the deal, then Trump unilaterally tore it up giving them no incentive not to enrich it further. And again unless there has been some radical change in the evidence since March they weren't trying to go further and weren't working on a bomb. There was precisely zero threat of an Iranian bomb and so there was zero practical reason for either Israel or the USA to bomb Iran's nuclear sites.
 
Surely Iran understands that enrichment to 60% would scare the crap out of the USA and Israel, causing them to consider military action. If they kept enrichment levels to purely civilian numbers, 4%, they would have a damn good argument that their intentions are purely peaceful.
Israel maybe. But why would it scare the US? Are you afraid of Russia? How about former Soviet Republics? India? Pakistan? China? North Korea?

To prove they could? As a bargaining chip? To improve their technological capabilities? The fact is that is that all the evidence presented says they didn't even have a functional bomb program let alone being weeks away from building one. All Trump has done is further destabilize the Middle East and increase the risks to US citizens around the world.

This.
 
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Sad to say, this is exactly what people like Steve Bannon and crew have advocated for. Make the experience of illegal immigration so horrendous, people will think twice before trying it. Unless, I guess, they're people seeking employment on farms, in meat packing plants or the hospitality industry. Then they get the red carpet treatment.
Dress rehearsals for trumps proposal of migrant fight UFC?
 
Israel maybe. But why would it scare the US? Are you afraid of Russia? How about former Soviet Republics? India? Pakistan? China? North Korea?...
None of those nations are funding and arming religious nutcase militias that have killed thousands of people and call for other nations to be destroyed on a daily basis.

None of the former Soviet republics posess nukes, so you're clearly not very knowledgeable about this subject.
 
None of those nations are funding and arming religious nutcase militias that have killed thousands of people and call for other nations to be destroyed on a daily basis.

None of the former Soviet republics posess nukes, so you're clearly not very knowledgeable about this subject.
Really? Do you believe all the crap you read? Yes, the four former Soviet Republics other than Russia agreed to give up the nuclear weapons they said they had, But how do you know that they all did?

Also, North Korea, Russia, and Pakistan concern me far more than Iran, Regardless of their support of religious nuts. Putin has threatened to use Nuclear weapons multiple times since Russia invaded Ukraine. North Korea has tested ICBMs that can reach the US. Pakistan harbored Osama Bin Laden and had terrorist camps there.
 
You dont? You think a nation that is relatively poor. A nation that yes, most definitely has supported rogue elements that with very little in the way of a nuclear weapons program is of greater concern than Russia? Not a concern because Trump is Putin's bitch maybe?
 
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