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Trump's promised ICE raids have begun

JayUtah said:
But the reality is that stopping the driver does not stop the car. What we saw in this situation is exactly what happens when a driver becomes incapacitated for any reason including being shot—the SUV accelerated rapidly, out of control, and impacted two parked cars at relatively high speed. What if it had plowed into a group of bystanders with no possibility of being brought under control? This rather obvious danger is why the rules of engagement forbid using deadly force against a vehicle driver. It's almost as if they were written with the benefit of hindsight from similar situations.
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When Grizzly Bear says "she gunned it" I wonder if he was reacting to the acceleration AFTER she was shot. At any rate you can't say she didn't deserve her fate and still believe the shooting is righteous.

The bar as I understand it is not proving he was in danger; it's proving that he thought he was in danger. I'm not caught up on the thread so I'm not sure if people have reacted to him filming the incident on a cell phone. Some critics have said your hands need to be free - I also wonder if he was filming with his dominant hand, but it turns out the camera wasn't even really aimed at her.
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Are we sure this photo is legit? Is it a frame grab, meaning the whole video is available? I really ought to catch up before asking ... fast-moving thread though. Orwell also proposed a global cabal with the whole power structure intent on preserving the status quo - not even for money but for power alone, plus a few token luxuries. He predicted AI-written novels and songs for the masses, but would have been shocked, I think, at how willingly we've wired ourselves for surveillance.
 
Minoosh said:
The bar as I understand it is not proving he was in danger; it's proving that he thought he was in danger.
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It doesn't matter what he thinks. You don't shot someone driving a vehicle unless they are threatening people with something besides the vehicle.

If he's in danger and kills the driver he just removed the only thing controlling the vehicle and made it worse, that bullet won't stop the car.
If he wasn't in danger at all and kills the driver he just made a powered uncontrolled vehicle. Way to go.

Police and Federal procedures are pretty clear about this.
 
kookbreaker said:
It doesn't matter what he thinks. You don't shot someone driving a vehicle unless they are threatening people with something besides the vehicle.

If he's in danger and kills the driver he just removed the only thing controlling the vehicle and made it worse, that bullet won't stop the car.
If he wasn't in danger at all and kills the driver he just made a powered uncontrolled vehicle. Way to go.

Police and Federal procedures are pretty clear about this.
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Exactly, weirdly the footage they released thinking it would clear the agent made it even more damning for him.
It is pretty clear he didn't shoot to protect himself or anyone else, he shot because he was annoyed at her, for not 'complying'
Hence his '◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ bitch' comment immediately after he killed her.
 
sackett said:
Question: What in hell is all this uproar about illegals supposed to be about? As long as
I can remember, and I'm three days older than the Battle of Midway, racist futher
muckers have been harrumphing about the wetback problem. And it never makes
a diddly damn bit of difference. Latinos crossing the wire to work in the USA
are a pissant-scale problem, old, stale stuff that isn't worth anybody's time.

Answer: Hitler spoiled the Jews. Donnie Dumfuggg can't use them. But, aha!
God gave Donnie Mexicans! Greasers! Taco benders with Indian cheekbones!
You can spot 'em by their looks! Their names are a giveaway too, like Meier
or Weingarten or Orlonoff!

So hooray! Donnie's got an Other to criminalize! Now he can recruit the
homegrown Schweinschützen to go after them, thrilling his mudsill minions
with their brutality, and freeing the worst of the worst to do his will.

His will. And the will of the old-fashioned hate guard, who always hope for a
chance like this: a deranged fool armed with immense power, and controlled by
his whisperers.

I can picture Stinky Miller watching it all expand on his laptop,
one hand busy busy busy.
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sackett said:
Question: What in hell is all this uproar about illegals supposed to be about? As long as
I can remember, and I'm three days older than the Battle of Midway, racist futher
muckers have been harrumphing about the wetback problem. And it never makes
a diddly damn bit of difference. Latinos crossing the wire to work in the USA
are a pissant-scale problem, old, stale stuff that isn't worth anybody's time.

Answer: Hitler spoiled the Jews. Donnie Dumfuggg can't use them. But, aha!
God gave Donnie Mexicans! Greasers! Taco benders with Indian cheekbones!
You can spot 'em by their looks! Their names are a giveaway too, like Meier
or Weingarten or Orlonoff!

So hooray! Donnie's got an Other to criminalize! Now he can recruit the
homegrown Schweinschützen to go after them, thrilling his mudsill minions
with their brutality, and freeing the worst of the worst to do his will.

His will. And the will of the old-fashioned hate guard, who always hope for a
chance like this: a deranged fool armed with immense power, and controlled by
his whisperers.

I can picture Stinky Miller watching it all expand on his laptop,
one hand busy busy busy.
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The GOP is trying to reverse demographic change. The decades where men migrated seasonally ended and they started bringing up their families because they were afraid increased border security would hamper their returns. That's one of the main things that's changed. Trump has scapegoated them for at least 11 years or longer, it's nothing new.
 
Minoosh said:
The GOP is trying to reverse demographic change. The decades where men migrated seasonally ended and they started bringing up their families because they were afraid increased border security would hamper their returns. That's one of the main things that's changed. Trump has scapegoated them for at least 11 years or longer, it's nothing new.
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Back in the 90s there was a science fiction TV series called Time Trax, about a police officer from 2193 who pursues criminals who've fled through time to 1993. In his time, white people have become a minority in the US, sometimes referred to with the slur "Blanco". What was minor worldbuilding in the show is a source of existential horror for some people in the modern day.

(The first criminal he caught was a white supremacist terrorist who wanted to restore white people to their "rightful place" of dominance in the country.)
 
Armitage72 said:
Back in the 90s there was a science fiction TV series called Time Trax, about a police officer from 2193 who pursues criminals who've fled through time to 1993. In his time, white people have become a minority in the US, sometimes referred to with the slur "Blanco". What was minor worldbuilding in the show is a source of existential horror for some people in the modern day.

(The first criminal he caught was a white supremacist terrorist who wanted to restore white people to their "rightful place" of dominance in the country.)
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Was his name Miller?
 
Armitage72 said:
Back in the 90s there was a science fiction series called Time Trax, about a police officer from 2193 who pursues criminals who've fled through time to 1993. In his time, white people have become a minority in the US, sometimes referred to with the slur "Blanco". What was minor worldbuilding in the show is a source of existential horror for some people in the modern day.

(The first criminal he caught was a white supremacist terrorist who wanted to restore white people to their "rightful place" of dominance in the country.)
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If that cop came back in 2026, he wouldn't know where to start. White supremacism is practically a requirement in Trump's administration.
 
Foster Zygote said:
I just spoke with a friend who is a retired police officer. He talked about what a huge red flag it is to see any sort of law enforcement screaming obscenities at people to try and force compliance, even in cases where the person has actually violated the law. He expressed his opinion that the number of videos he's seen showing ICE shouting things like "get out of the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ car!!!" is evidence of not only how poorly trained they are, but how psychologically unfit they are for the job. In his words, "you can see these ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ starting to get their backs up, and there are going to be more people murdered by them before this is over, because they're starting to see everyone as an enemy and a 'terrorist' ". He said he's afraid they're going to reach a point where they just start firing wildly into a crowd.
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Kent State
 
Andy_Ross said:
Surging

Watters: Trump and Noem, they are surging forces into these cities and they are not going to tolerate crazy women putting themselves in the middle of a dangerous law enforcement operation.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2009751488256717006
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