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Trump's Little Stormtroopers....

Cainkane1 said:
Trump disavows these groups. He said so recently. I believe America could have had better candidates and I also feel that its a sorry state of affairs when this is as good as we can do. I'm not a Trump fan but overall he's better than Hillary.
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Can you point to a link where he did that? I sincerely can't recall reading or hearing him say that.
 
ponderingturtle said:
I figure this will happen either way. I am expecting an uptick in political violence on the far right no matter who wins.
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On the far right or by the far right. Judging by the hatred and vitriol spewed by a few posters on this board I would think you meant perpetrated on the right.
 
Has the KKK ever endorsed a Presidential Candidate before?

Since the issue of Trump courting White Supremacists came up, I thought it appropriate to ask the question here. If not, feel free to move it.

Recently the KKK endorsed Trump. As of my writing, I have not seen him actually reject it, just his surrogates. Even if he does, I think it telling that it's HIS policies that make the KKK feel comfortable associating themselves with him.

So has this ever happened before? I found full endorsements dating back to the 1920's but on a local level. Governor. Mayor. Not national. They courted Reagan back in 1980 but he unequivocally shut it down:

Reagan said:
"I have no tolerance whatsoever for what the Klan represents," he said in 1980 after a meeting with Jesse Jackson. "Indeed, I resent them using my name."
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So are we facing the first presidential nominee to be openly supported by the KKK? That would seem relevant to the discussion of Trump's qualifications to be president.
 
cantonear1968 said:
Actually I don't recall ever hearing Trump disavow these groups; it's been his surrogates stating this. And he has openly courted them starting with the Birther claims, re-tweeting fake, racist statistics and hiring Steve Bannon who is immersed in the alt-right, racist, misogynist groups.
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Trump Jr. Said that David Duke should get a bullet in the head.
 
NoahFence said:
Trump Jr. Said that David Duke should get a bullet in the head.
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But still not Trump himself.

I think most people would be aware of the interview where Trump was asked about Duke and he claimed to never had heard of him. Didn't come close to disavowing his support.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Been watching Mad Max again, have we? Paleos just can't help themselves from fantasizing over post-apocalyptic warlord societies where their bullets get them more votes.
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There's a saying I've occasionally encountered about how people eagerly anticipating the collapse of society expect to become Lord Humungus, ruling their own little empire from a throne of skulls, when in reality they'll end being part of someone else's throne.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
Clearly explain what was a half-truth or a distortion?

The university I linked to said he was nearly killed. Descriptions I've seen elsewhere made it clear the attack had murderous intent. I know I've read somewhere that there were fatalities and/or vicious wounds suffered by the crew Lincoln was part of. I'm not 100% sure of that being true though.

Every view I attributed to Lincoln about blacks is undeniably accurate and directly attested to by his own words. Such views were also nearly universal among whites in his era, so why would this be surprising?

Him opposing slavery doesn't contradict that. Do people who think the meat industry is horrible therefore necessarily think cows are our mental equals and fit for citizenship?
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Do people who think slavery is OK turn their servants into sausages?
 
Stacko said:
The one that isn't openly aiding the racist misogynistic wannabe demagogue by participating in guiding the campaign. That would also be the smart one.
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I think you mean "actually smart" stupid looking one, compared to the "supposedly smarter one" who, I predict, will run for local office after this glorious revolution comes to Trumpful fruition.
 
tyr_13 said:
This shows a staggering ignorance of the realities of the vast majority of agriculture in the US. I'm a country boy, and if **** hits the fan such that society is breaking down, you don't have till harvest season to get your crop in to eat. You depend on trade and transport to get other food from a vast network of other farmers, just like everyone else. There are some who have products that could be used year round, and many do stockpile some food, but those are as likely to be hippies or liberals like my brother and his girlfriend as you right-wing tribalists (and yes, we have lead too).

Besides that, you're just not as important nor as independent as you think. Many people who live in cities have farming skill too, having come from farms in their childhood. Just because you don't choose to do something doesn't mean you can't. You're just as replaceable as anyone else, especially with logging.
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Jrrarglblarg said:
Living in a state covered in wheat or corn fields does not make a person, family or community "self sustaining" at any level or in any sense of the term. And when your tractor runs out of diesel, you're back to dragging a stick behind an ox, if you can find an ox.
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Foolmewunz said:
Been watching Mad Max again, have we? Paleos just can't help themselves from fantasizing over post-apocalyptic warlord societies where their bullets get them more votes.

In the meanhow, rural America is shrinking faster than the sea is rising. The US Census counts "actual" rural America as representing 20% of the population.
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I'm certainly not going to try and convince the three of you that rural folks WILL be the last surviving ones. If you disagree with that, good, I hope you live in or near the cities when **** hits the fan. With leftists skeptics, experience is in short supply.

By the way, aren't too many rural folks JUST planting wheat and corn. Just about all the ones I know are already self sustaining and have been taught that way of life for decades. It doesn't surprise me that you three are completely ignorant of that fact. Rural folks also shoot much of their food, we kill about 20 deer every year, so again save it, you haven't a clue. ;)
 
logger said:
I'm certainly not going to try and convince the three of you that rural folks WILL be the last surviving ones. If you disagree with that, good, I hope you live in or near the cities when **** hits the fan. With leftists skeptics, experience is in short supply.
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How civil of you to wish death upon us. That's the moral high road. You're wrong and can't produce a convincing argument, so just hope the leftists die.

By the way, aren't too many rural folks JUST planting wheat and corn. Just about all the ones I know are already self sustaining and have been taught that way of life for decades. It doesn't surprise me that you three are completely ignorant of that fact. Rural folks also shoot much of their food, we kill about 20 deer every year, so again save it, you haven't a clue. ;)
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Oh, all your neighbors are Amish like mine? There are far too many rural folk like you who labor under the abject delusion of self-sufficiency while knowing **** all about actually doing anything of the sort. You tell yourselves you're super important and have reason to feel superior to those 'dirty intellectual liberals' who don't know 'real work'.

If you haven't already planted a large number of different plants, the three sisters and potatoes work especially well, and have a lot saved from last year in ways that don't require refrigeration, and have access to enough labor to harvest and defend your crop, you're screwed. **** hits the fan? You don't have electricity today. You don't have gasoline in a week. You don't have spare parts in a year. You don't have meds in two.

The big part here is having human labor and a community to share work. You and people like you, who don't want to 'support others with taxes', will fail hardcore at that and infighting might do you in before the huge number of skill combatants kill you and take your ****. When the **** hits the fan, anyone confident in their ability to come through it are dead. If you are confident of your ability to come through such a situation, you lack the level of knowledge needed to do so. It's Dunning-Kruger in motion. Anyone who knows what the **** hitting the fan would be like knows that one cannot be truly prepared for it.

The people who survive that will be those capable of adapting and forming coalitions, and would be a mix of people from all walks of life and meaningless background information like 'rural' or 'urban'.

And those '20 deer a year' wouldn't be around with more people hunting them genius. Besides that, you've just admitted to be a dirty poacher. No one gets 20 tags, and loggers don't get nuisance permits. Even if you had a nuisance permit, that many year unless you have a truly large farm is abusing it. Plus without electricity, I doubt in your ability to preserve that meat for long term. It takes salt and some other techniques I'm sure you're not going to do correctly. There is damn good reason even the native Americans didn't get most of their calories from hunting.

Keep your fantasies about being able to stick it to those city folk and shooting those 'liberals' who come for your 'stockpiles'. It's beyond sad that you feel so powerless you must indulge in such things, there is no need to force those farcical fantasies on the rest of us.

What really proves how bad things have gotten is there are damn few conservatives left who will call out your foolishness. You're unimportant; the fact the adults don't distance themselves from you is.
 
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