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Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

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My only issue with the public perception of Melania is this idea that

A) there is some "right" way to be a first lady
B) That way is "Be like Jackie."
 
Bob001 said:
But a very rich dirtbag. In her limited defense, she married him when he was a celebrity developer and NY playboy. She never intended to become a public figure, and by some accounts wasn't happy about it.
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I think there were mixed feelings there. Sure, she publicly disliked most of her 'FLOTUS duties'. But she was obviously ecstatic to wear that mourning get-up to visit the Pope.

And early on I believe when she was suing whomever had published once again her nude shots in that porno magazine, IIRC someone suggested she was about to become the most photographed woman in the world. :rolleyes:

Her Jackie O fantasy came to an abrupt end when she got no Vogue, etc covers and no famous photo shoots. Her dismay, again IIRC, that Michelle Obama graced the cover of one of them (Vogue I think) was quite public.

I'd look these up to get the details right but I don't care, do you? ;)
 
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JoeMorgue said:
My only issue with the public perception of Melania is this idea that

A) there is some "right" way to be a first lady
B) That way is "Be like Jackie."
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The 'be like Jackie' came directly from the Melania camp and possibly directly from her.


I have no empathy, none, zilch for a woman who worked illegally on a tourist visa then stood up to the podium and declared unlike others, she had immigrated legally. And her parents arrived via one of those extended family pathways Dump railed on all the brown people for.

Not to mention she's a liar just like Dump. She was going to hold a press conference in the proverbial 2 weeks to show she never worked illegally. Never happened. And her bio is chock full of lies like she has a degree of some kind. And while I don't doubt she speaks at least 2 languages fluently and either also speaks French or has the ability to communicate sufficiently in French, that got ginned up too with some claim she speaks 5 or 6 languages.
 
Trebuchet said:
Melania Knavs/Knauss was ALREADY a public figure, a popular model.
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Nah, she was a second rate model who started working here illegally for a company that is now defunct doing catalogue photos (According to Pulitzer Prize winning Mary Jordan's book The Art of Her Deal: The Untold Story of Melania Trump). She was not a public figure.

Melania Trump was paid for 10 modeling jobs in the United States worth $20,056 that occurred in the seven weeks before she had legal permission to work in the country, according to detailed accounting ledgers, contracts and related documents from 20 years ago provided to The Associated Press.
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That's an average of $2,000 per job. FAR from what popular top models are paid. And by the way, she did so illegally as her visa did not allow her to work in the country.

The documents obtained by the AP show she was paid for 10 modeling assignments between Sept. 10 and Oct. 15, during a time when her visa allowed her generally to be in the U.S. and look for work but not perform paid work in the country. The documents examined by the AP indicate that the modeling assignments would have been outside the bounds of her visa.
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Her former roommate and professional photographer, Matthew Atanian, said:

But, according to Atanian, Melania was getting only second- and third-tier modeling work, and, at age 26, time was running out. Atanian, then shooting for Marie Claire, recalls her asking him to help her get in the magazine. He sensed it was hopeless. “She was always kind of a stiff person. That’s why she wasn’t a successful model, because she couldn’t move.”
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We've all seen that wooden aura she has. No warmth, no personality.

The union made perfect sense for Donald too. After demanding Ivana and needy Marla, Melania would be the perfect mate, one who would be an advertisement for his virility while giving him his “space.” Federico Pignatelli, a longtime Trump friend and business associate, who founded the fashion studio Pier 59, says, “Ivana was an intelligent, entrepreneurial woman. Also a very strong-minded person and very feisty. While instead, Melania . . . really no fights.” For her part, Melania would get a luxurious home where she could indulge her hobbies—Pilates and reading fashion magazines, according to People—in peace, and a promise that she would never have to return to drab Eastern-European prospects.
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Like I said, a gold digger.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
The 'be like Jackie' came directly from the Melania camp and possibly directly from her.


I have no empathy, none, zilch for a woman who worked illegally on a tourist visa then stood up to the podium and declared unlike others, she had immigrated legally. And her parents arrived via one of those extended family pathways Dump railed on all the brown people for.

Not to mention she's a liar just like Dump. She was going to hold a press conference in the proverbial 2 weeks to show she never worked illegally. Never happened. And her bio is chock full of lies like she has a degree of some kind. And while I don't doubt she speaks at least 2 languages fluently and either also speaks French or has the ability to communicate sufficiently in French, that got ginned up too with some claim she speaks 5 or 6 languages.
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She doesn't speak French. What she managed to get out on the trip to France was French 101. Notice that the Macrons never, ever said a word about her speaking French. If she had, something would have been said. Jackie K spoke fluent French and the French sure commented on it. Sec. Blinken also speaks fluent French. A French friend of mine said his French "C'est parfait".
 
Trebuchet said:
Melania Knavs/Knauss was ALREADY a public figure, a popular model.
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Stacyhs said:
Nah, she was a second rate model who started working here illegally for a company that is now defunct doing catalogue photos (According to Pulitzer Prize winning Mary Jordan's book The Art of Her Deal: The Untold Story of Melania Trump). She was not a public figure.



That's an average of $2,000 per job. FAR from what popular top models are paid. And by the way, she did so illegally as her visa did not allow her to work in the country.




Her former roommate and professional photographer, Matthew Atanian, said:



We've all seen that wooden aura she has. No warmth, no personality.



Like I said, a gold digger.
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You are, of course, correct. But she WANTED to be a pubic -- err public figure, at least give me that much! No other reason she'd have married Donald Mushroom-dick. It just wasn't the type of public figure she wanted.
 
JoeMorgue said:
My only issue with the public perception of Melania is this idea that

A) there is some "right" way to be a first lady
B) That way is "Be like Jackie."
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That's not really true. Every First Lady has brought her own personality to the job -- and it is a job. Betty Ford brought attention to breast cancer research and treatment by talking about her own illness. Barbara Bush was about as far from Jackie O as anyone could be, but she was respected as a plain-talking grandmotherly figure. Nobody thought Michelle Obama should or could be more like Jackie. Melania was never even active in her husband's presidential campaigns, and she took on no important public role. She even sat in NY for six months, reportedly until she could negotiate a new pre(post)-nup. By numerous accounts, she is as self-absorbed, racist and evil as her hubby. "Not being like Jackie" is not on the list of her flaws.
 
Trebuchet said:
You are, of course, correct. But she WANTED to be a pubic -- err public figure, at least give me that much! No other reason she'd have married Donald Mushroom-dick. It just wasn't the type of public figure she wanted.
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She wanted the most money for the least effort, period. While I'm sure she had fantasies about being a famous model, she really just wanted a dump truck full of cash so that she could stop working at anything. Mission accomplished.
 
I usually don't begrudge people taking opportunities to get filthy rich.
What I detest is when the same people pull up the ladder they climbed up behind them to make sure that no one else will be able to do what they did.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
I usually don't begrudge people taking opportunities to get filthy rich.
What I detest is when the same people pull up the ladder they climbed up behind them to make sure that no one else will be able to do what they did.
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...you want more people to be able to marry Trump? :confused:
 
Bob001 said:
That's not really true. Every First Lady has brought her own personality to the job -- and it is a job. Betty Ford brought attention to breast cancer research and treatment by talking about her own illness. Barbara Bush was about as far from Jackie O as anyone could be, but she was respected as a plain-talking grandmotherly figure. Nobody thought Michelle Obama should or could be more like Jackie. Melania was never even active in her husband's presidential campaigns, and she took on no important public role. She even sat in NY for six months, reportedly until she could negotiate a new pre(post)-nup. By numerous accounts, she is as self-absorbed, racist and evil as her hubby. "Not being like Jackie" is not on the list of her flaws.
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You forgot Hillary Clinton as First Lady. As First Lady during Bill's presidency Politifact says:
Clinton was key to creating the Children’s Health Insurance Program, which provides coverage for 8 million children.
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As the first lady of the United States, Clinton chaired the Task Force on National Health Care Reform during an unsuccessful campaign to reform the U.S. health system, and then was instrumental in the creation of the Children's Health Insurance Program, the adoption of the Safe Families Act and the Foster Care Independence Act. In 1995, she led the U.S. delegation to Beijing to attend the U.N. Fourth World Conference on Women, giving her famous speech in which she declared that “human rights are women’s rights, and women’s rights are human rights once and for all.”
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As Arkansas' First Lady
During her tenure as Arkansas’s first lady, Clinton chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee, co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, and served on the boards of the Arkansas Children’s Hospital, Legal Services, and the Children’s Defense Fund.
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Compared to HRC, Melania was a very poor First Lady who did practically nothing.
 
tyr_13 said:
...you want more people to be able to marry Trump? :confused:
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Hey, Mel is getting a bit long in the tooth for Donnie. He's probably on the hunt for a younger, foreign born piece of ego boosting arm candy now. I think a Russian born 28 year old would fit perfectly. Russian women are hardy and she'll be able to keep her dinner down when Donnie gets the Forbes magazine out and requests a spanking.
 
Bob001 said:
That's not really true. Every First Lady has brought her own personality to the job -- and it is a job. Betty Ford brought attention to breast cancer research and treatment by talking about her own illness. Barbara Bush was about as far from Jackie O as anyone could be, but she was respected as a plain-talking grandmotherly figure. Nobody thought Michelle Obama should or could be more like Jackie. Melania was never even active in her husband's presidential campaigns, and she took on no important public role. She even sat in NY for six months, reportedly until she could negotiate a new pre(post)-nup. By numerous accounts, she is as self-absorbed, racist and evil as her hubby. "Not being like Jackie" is not on the list of her flaws.
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I think you have a misunderstanding here.

After seeing her for 4 years it is indeed clear that she is at least close to being as self-absorbed, racist and evil as her hubby. Dump still holds the record.

But no one said she was anything like Jackie O. I, for one, said comments were made by her camp that she'd be a fashion icon and "the most photographed woman in the world." Melanie went on to complain when Michelle Obama was on the cover of Vogue (or whichever mag) that she, Melanie, was being ignored by these magazines. IIRC I think even Dump Jr made ignoring her out to be some plot against her.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I think you have a misunderstanding here.

After seeing her for 4 years it is indeed clear that she is at least close to being as self-absorbed, racist and evil as her hubby. Dump still holds the record.

But no one said she was anything like Jackie O. I, for one, said comments were made by her camp that she'd be a fashion icon and "the most photographed woman in the world." Melanie went on to complain when Michelle Obama was on the cover of Vogue (or whichever mag) that she, Melanie, was being ignored by these magazines. IIRC I think even Dump Jr made ignoring her out to be some plot against her.
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Yep.

Things have changed more than a bit since Jackie was FLOTUS. Then, like every good and natural wife, her job was to look pretty and support her husband. Her domain was the home and children. Anything more was not 'natural'. Women, like children, were to be seen and not heard unless spoken to first. And their opinion was treated pretty much the same as a child's.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I think you have a misunderstanding here.

After seeing her for 4 years it is indeed clear that she is at least close to being as self-absorbed, racist and evil as her hubby. Dump still holds the record.

But no one said she was anything like Jackie O. I, for one, said comments were made by her camp that she'd be a fashion icon and "the most photographed woman in the world." Melanie went on to complain when Michelle Obama was on the cover of Vogue (or whichever mag) that she, Melanie, was being ignored by these magazines. IIRC I think even Dump Jr made ignoring her out to be some plot against her.
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I was responding specifically to this comment:
JoeMorgue said:
My only issue with the public perception of Melania is this idea that
A) there is some "right" way to be a first lady
B) That way is "Be like Jackie."
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The implication was that we expect First Ladies to be like Jackie, and are disappointed and critical when First Ladies are not like her. I don't think anybody has such an expectation. Melania earned contempt for her ignorance and behavior, not because she wasn't Jackie.
 
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