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Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

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Warp12 said:
"Objective" evidence in politics, lol.
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Yes, actual, verifiable, objective facts can be obtained when sources of bias - even political bias - are carefully and methodically eliminated using tried and true methodologies developed specifically for that purpose.

There are, of course, plenty of 'alternative facts' (i.e. blatant lies) also out there, which anyone who wants real facts about this particular subject needs to be especially wary of given the current political situation in the US, but objective evidence is still obtainable by those with effective critical thinking skills.
 
Pixel42 said:
Yes, actual, verifiable, objective facts can be obtained when sources of bias - even political bias - are carefully and methodically eliminated using tried and true methodologies developed specifically for that purpose.

There are, of course, plenty of 'alternative facts' (i.e. blatant lies) also out there, which anyone who wants real facts about this particular subject needs to be especially wary of given the current political situation in the US, but objective evidence is still obtainable by those with effective critical thinking skills.
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Let me guess, the real threat is the GOP?
 
Delphic Oracle said:
I made a reference to the fact that since you made a positive assertion, it is your burden to provide evidence for it.

Then you literally invented a sentence as if voiced by me.
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This is some bizarre dancing, but whatever works for you.
 
Warp12 said:
Let me guess, the real threat is the GOP?
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The real threat is whatever the objective evidence says it is.

Why don't you look at it and find out?

You'll need to use well developed critical thinking skills to find it, but it's out there.
 
Pixel42 said:
The real threat is whatever the objective evidence says it is.

Why don't you look at it and find out?

You'll need to use well developed critical thinking skills to find it, but it's out there.
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Since you don't think the issues I mentioned are serious threats, I thought you might enlighten me.
 
Warp12 said:
Since you don't think the issues I mentioned are serious threats, I thought you might enlighten me.
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You would (quite justifiably) not believe me. There's a reason why "Take nobody's word for it" is the motto of The Royal Society. You need to look for yourself.

And if you find objective evidence for your claim that mail in voting/the lack of voter ID is the most important issue, by all means post it.
 
There is no system I know of that allows voting without some form of identification.

Registering to begin with requires documents.

"No ID required" at the polling place usually is misleading shorthand for "a generous range of possible ways to establish one's identity, many of which I disagree with" which is, obviously, an entirely different matter.

Even merely arriving at the correct polling place for your registered address and stating your name to be checked against a roll is a form of identification.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
There is no system I know of that allows voting without some form of identification.

Registering to begin with requires documents.

"No ID required" at the polling place usually is misleading shorthand for "a generous range of possible ways to establish one's identity, many of which I disagree with" which is, obviously, an entirely different matter.

Even merely arriving at the correct polling place for your registered address and stating your name to be checked against a roll is a form of identification.
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I registered online and they sent me a ballot. At that point, anyone can harvest it from the mail, or, as I joked, I can trade it to my neighbor for a 6-pack.
 
Warp12 said:
I registered online and they sent me a ballot. At that point, anyone can harvest it from the mail, or, as I joked, I can trade it to my neighbor for a 6-pack.
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The data you provided was checked against other state records of your identity.

Which is also what happens for paper-based registration.

In the future, please inform yourself on processes before you attempt to sound authoritative on a given subject.

Still waiting for your evidence of a threat, btw.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
The data you provided was checked against other state records of your identity.

Which is also what happens for paper-based registration.

In the future, please inform yourself on processes before you attempt to sound authoritative on a given subject.

Still waiting for your evidence of a threat, btw.
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Yeah, I think you missed the point. Yes, when I registered, the info was checked. Once they mailed out the ballot, there is nothing after that. My neighbor, or anyone else could fill out that ballot and return it.
 
Warp12 said:
Yeah, I think you missed the point. Yes, when I registered, the info was checked. Once they mailed out the ballot, there is nothing after that. My neighbor, or anyone else could fill out that ballot and return it.
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If the postman wrongly delivered it to your neighbour and they were dishonest enough to plan to do that, you would not receive it. Would you just shrug and forget it? Or, with the election looming and still no ballot, would you make enquiries as to what had happened to it? And if the latter, what would be the subsequent events?
 
Pixel42 said:
If the postman wrongly delivered it to your neighbour and they were dishonest enough to plan to do that, you would not receive it. Would you just shrug and forget it? Or, with the election looming and still no ballot, would you make enquiries as to what had happened to it? And if the latter, what would be the subsequent events?
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Well, that is a fair question that I will look into. I can tell you, though, the whole process felt very vague; even when I asked the post office to postmark the ballot (required), they didn't even understand why. I thought to myself, "how many ballots will be rejected, when they aren't even postmarked"?
 
Perhaps the process appeared vague because (as you've just admitted) you have no idea what it is? Perhaps, when you look into it, you will find there are all sorts of checks built into it of which you are currently unaware ?
 
Warp12 said:
Yeah, I think you missed the point. Yes, when I registered, the info was checked. Once they mailed out the ballot, there is nothing after that. My neighbor, or anyone else could fill out that ballot and return it.
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And in doing so they would have to reliably forge your signature. Oh and mailing it in would mean they committed about 3 felonies.
 
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