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Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

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Warp12 said:
I wasn't worried too much about it, tbh. I got my votes in, and then some. My roommate works at the post office, and he culled some extra ballots. So, free 6-pack. Win-win.

Great process. :thumbsup:
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Cool Story brah about you complicit in a Federal Crime!

I myself went to a polling place, voted, then went back in line with fake eyeglasses and nose to vote again! I did it a dozen times!
 
Shalamar said:
I myself went to a polling place, voted, then went back in line with fake eyeglasses and nose to vote again! I did it a dozen times!
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That sounds like a voting process that invites fraud. The important thing is, no ID required. Am I right?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Y'all can't help yourselves, can ya. Badmouth Clinton in a thread where it is off-topic to respond.



How was it supposed to materialize when she wasn't elected?



The actual quote in spoilers because it's a sidetrack. On topic is the fact Dump was good at running with any soundbite and the Democrats were terrible at responding, as has already been said ad nauseum.

https://www.npr.org/2016/05/03/476485650/fact-check-hillary-clinton-and-coal-jobs



Clinton did tell a town hall audience in Columbus, Ohio in March that "we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business." But that was part of a longer answer about the need to help blue-collar workers adjust. "We're going to make it clear that we don't want to forget those people," Clinton said. "Those people labored in those mines for generations, losing their health, often losing their lives to turn on our lights and power our factories. Now we've got to move away from coal and all the other fossil fuels, but I don't want to move away from the people who did the best they could to produce the energy that we relied on."
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"Y'all" who?

Maybe put the blind rage on hold for 5 seconds and try again.

I'm neither cheering Trump nor "badmouthing" Clinton. Address what I actually said and not my supposed motive.

I'm saying the "we're going to dismantle the industry that put food on your table all your life, but we'll find something for you to do otherwise" line doesn't fly in American politics.

Right or wrong, sensible or not, and regardless of what flowery, transparently flattering prose it is delivered in (which probably makes it even more insultingly patronizing).

"The factory is shutting down, come help us get the equipment on trailers to ship to Mexico. I know it sucks, but we're going to play all the 'real American heroes' Budweiser commercials on a loop over the speakers to show you we really care."

Mark Blyth put it better than anyone I've heard with his "Gary from Gary, Indiana" bit.

Totally fictional, yet also entirely true.

https://youtu.be/Fq_NMyKfNoY
 
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Warp12 said:
Because, all "critical thinkers" come to a conclusion before viewing the evidence, right? :rolleyes:

It is not any different than these idiots who stormed the Capitol, quite frankly. Evidence was their last consideration; they made up their minds from day one.
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Oh, come on! Trump was claiming the only way he could lose the election was if it was rigged long before the election ever happened. He has a long history of claiming elections that don't go his way were "rigged".

On election night in 2012, when President Barack Obama was reelected, Trump said that the election was a "total sham" and a "travesty," while also making the claim that the United States is "not a democracy" after Obama secured his victory.

Trump even wrote on Twitter, "We can't let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided!"

Trump also previously called for the American people, presumably those who didn't vote for Obama, to "fight like hell and stop this great and disgusting injustice," because "the world is laughing at us."

Trump first challenged the election results in 2012, continued to do so in 2016 and has now done it again in 2020.
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He accused Cruz of stealing the Iowa caucus in 2016:
"Based on the fraud committed by Senator Ted Cruz during the Iowa Caucus, either a new election should take place or Cruz results nullified."
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Oct 2016:
"The election is absolutely being rigged by the dishonest and distorted media pushing Crooked Hillary - but also at many polling places - SAD," without providing any evidence for the claim.
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Aug. 17, 2020:

"The only way we're going to lose this election is if the election is rigged"
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Hell, he even claimed the election he won was rigged!
 
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Stacyhs said:
Hell, he even claimed the election he won was rigged!
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To be fair, it was..in his favor with all the voter suppression and other "tactics" the Republicans used to ensure a minority of voters won the electoral college.
 
thaiboxerken said:
To be fair, it was..in his favor with all the voter suppression and other "tactics" the Republicans used to ensure a minority of voters won the electoral college.
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An old friend told me about voter suppression in the south. He told me he had even seen signs that showed the wrong date for the election.

I told him, thank goodness they didn't post signs that said Christmas was on January 25th....imagine the impact on the retailers.

The struggle is real.
 
Warp12 said:
An old friend told me about voter suppression in the south. He told me he had even seen signs that showed the wrong date for the election.

I told him, thank goodness they didn't post signs that said Christmas was on January 25th....imagine the impact on the retailers.

The struggle is real.
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In the UK every eligible voter is sent a polling card which tells them exactly where and when they should vote, so they can't be misled by deliberate misinformation if, for example, they are busy trying to hold down two jobs to feed their children and don't have time to check its accuracy.

I'm appalled by the disgraceful attacks on democracy I see happening in the US and I do not think sarcasm is an appropriate response to them.
 
Pixel42 said:
I'm appalled by the disgraceful attacks on democracy I see happening in the US and I do not think sarcasm is an appropriate response to them.
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I find this amusing. In a forum where people can't wait to condemn the willfully ignorant, you give a free pass to those who are willfully ignorant of even which date to vote on? These sound like responsible, informed voters, right...the people we want to shape the future of our country?
 
Warp12 said:
I find this amusing.
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You seem to find almost everything amusing, even the deliberate destruction of your democracy.

In a forum where people can't wait to condemn the willfully ignorant, you give a free pass to those who are willfully ignorant of even which date to vote on?
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I'm prepared to make some allowances when they seem warranted, if the alternative is giving a free pass to those who are wilfully undermining your democracy by deliberately spreading disinformation and actively preventing those with different views from voting.

These sound like responsible, informed voters, right...the people we want to shape the future of our country?
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Better than having it shaped by the sort of people who deliberately spread disinformation and actively prevent those with different views from voting.
 
Pixel42 said:
I'm prepared to make some allowances when they seem warranted, if the alternative is giving a free pass to those who are wilfully undermining your democracy by deliberately spreading disinformation and actively preventing those with different views from voting.
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I think you are way overestimating the prevalence of this (disinformation, etc.), based upon what the media has fed you. Trust me, if some hillbilly throws a sign up on the side of the road, most intelligent people are not following it.

Now, a real threat is something like mail-in voting, and not requiring any ID to vote. The possibility of fraud is off the charts, and I am sure you can see that.

I voted via mail last year. What a sad joke it is. Voting reform should include higher levels of verification, but that is not the popular focus, at all.
 
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Warp12 said:
I think you are way overestimating the prevalence of this (disinformation, etc.), based upon what the media has fed you. Trust me, if some hillbilly throws a sign up on the side of the road, most intelligent people are not following it.
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If that was all that was being done to wilfully undermine your democracy I would agree but, as I'm sure you know full well, it is only the tiniest fraction of it. This particular example is just an indicator of the extent of the threat. Such things simply do not happen in a healthy democracy.

Now, a real threat is something like mail-in voting, and not requiring any ID to vote. The possibility of fraud is off the charts, and I am sure you can see that.
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I can see that, however worked up the sort of people who ignore the real threats to their democracy get about it, the actual objective evidence shows this kind of fraud is negligible.

I voted via mail last year. What a sad joke it is. Voting reform should include higher levels of verification, but that is not the popular focus, at all.
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It seems to be the popular focus amongst Republicans, despite what all the objective evidence shows the real focus should be.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
"Now, a real threat is something like mail-in voting, and not requiring any ID to vote."

Your premise, your burden.

We'll be here when you get back.
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Your point is so idiotic that it is hard to quantify. "What is the problem with mail-in voting, and no ID requirements"? SMFH.
 
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