Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

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I love how if... last summer I had suggested the possibility that pro-Trump rioters were going to storm the Capital, lead to the deaths of 4 people, openly calling for the executions of Pelosi and Pence, be photographed stealing podiums and putting their feet on desks that the exact same people downplaying it now would have been screeching about what a "hyperbolic strawman" the mere suggestion was.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I love how if... last summer I had suggested the possibility that pro-Trump rioters were going to storm the Capital, lead to the deaths of 4 people, openly calling for the executions of Pelosi and Pence, be photographed stealing podiums and putting their feet on desks that the exact same people downplaying it now would have been screeching about what a "hyperbolic strawman" the mere suggestion was.
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Look, they only took the time to plan and build a gallows, plant weapon caches in multiple places, and bring a large number of restraining devices, but it's not like this was some planned out attack. It was just, like ..a dog licking his balls and you accurately describing is it the worst kind of crime: dramatic hyperbole!
 
wareyin said:
Look, they only took the time to plan and build a gallows, plant weapon caches in multiple places, and bring a large number of restraining devices, but it's not like this was some planned out attack. It was just, like ..a dog licking his balls and you accurately describing is it the worst kind of crime: dramatic hyperbole!
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Indeed.

Everything that ever happens is always so hyperbolic it can't really be that bad and you have to be exaggerating or not worth worrying about, never anywhere in between.

Nice state of mind if you can talk yourself into it I guess.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Indeed.

Everything that ever happens is always so hyperbolic it can't really be that bad and you have to be exaggerating or not worth worrying about, never anywhere in between.

Nice state of mind if you can talk yourself into it I guess.
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Everything is super(lative)!
 
wareyin said:
Look, they only took the time to plan and build a gallows, plant weapon caches in multiple places, and bring a large number of restraining devices, but it's not like this was some planned out attack. It was just, like ..a dog licking his balls and you accurately describing is it the worst kind of crime: dramatic hyperbole!
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Furthermore, there are coup actions that Trump took aside from instigating the insurrection. Such as, threatening GA official Brad Raffensperger with prosecution if he doesn't "find" some votes.
 
varwoche said:
Furthermore, there are coup actions that Trump took aside from instigating the insurrection. Such as, threatening GA official Brad Raffensperger with prosecution if he doesn't "find" some votes.
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Ah, but if the heavily Trump loving Georgia government doesn't charge him, then that's iron clad proof that it wasn't a coup!

/sarcasm
 
As predicted, Pelosi rejected Meadows appointment to the 1/6 commission and also Bank's appointment. Now McCarthy is withdrawing all his appointments and self-righteously screaming about how "partisan" Pelosi is being. Does anyone else think that was McCarthy's plan all along? He had to have known she's reject Meadows and likely Banks. I also think the pair's stupid comments in the last 24 hours were deliberately made with the aim of insuring Pelosi's rejection.

I loved Cheney's comments regarding the aim of the commission and McCarthy's lack of dedication to supporting the Constitution over party.
 
varwoche said:
The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs considered the the threat sufficiently serious that he urgently planned how to circumvent.

You, an anonymous character on the internet who has blatantly minimized Trump's actions, thinks otherwise.
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Bull ****. I've said that the president should be charged with inciting imminent lawless action from word go.

My objection is that the swooners are using the wrong terms, that's all. If a woman is raped, don't swoon about how her soul was murdered. Call it what it ******* is, without the adolescent drama.

Also: you asked me what I thought. I said so. So what's with the "anonymous poster" dismissal? Did you expect me to reveal my secret identity as outranking the Joint Cheif Chairman? You're better than that, man.
 
CORed said:
I think the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers who planned and executed the breach did have a plan. Remember that they actually set up a functional gallows. I do not think "Hang Mike Pence" was hyperbole. They meant to do it. I believe their plan was to capture members of Congress, hold them hostage, and kill as many as they had to to force a vote to overturn the election. I don't think it was a plan that actually had much chance of succeeding, but I think that was their intent. There were also a bunch of people who just wandered into the Capitol after the security was breached and acted like idiots, you know, just peaceful tourists.
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So we might be on a false dichotomy here, because I think there's something more significant about an attempt to subvert an election by force, that was stopped far further along than it had any business achieving, than your described "mindless violent douchebaggery". If you can see that I'll give up on trying to convince you it's an attempt to overthrow the government. We can decide for ourselves what we want to call it.
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Thermal said:
Well....agreed. I've been saying all along that their interfering with the electoral process is inexcusable and a heavy crime. It's just not a coup. Shooting tires out, to use an earlier analogy, is a serious crime, but a different one thsn carjacking. The Dildos shot the tires out (to further abuse it) and the tires were changed and democracy on it's merry way in short order. That wouldn't have been the case were they jacked.

But happy to agree that they are all felons who will soon be languishing in cells, where they belong.
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It's not a coup, but it was attempted sedition.

Was the Bay of Pigs an attempt to overthrow Castro? Did it have much chance of success, given how badly it was planned?
 
Thermal said:
Bull ****. I've said that the president should be charged with inciting imminent lawless action from word go.

My objection is that the swooners are using the wrong terms, that's all. If a woman is raped, don't swoon about how her soul was murdered. Call it what it ******* is, without the adolescent drama.

Also: you asked me what I thought. I said so. So what's with the "anonymous poster" dismissal? Did you expect me to reveal my secret identity as outranking the Joint Cheif Chairman? You're better than that, man.
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It is pretty clear that, regardless of what the others thought, Trump himself intended it to be a way to hold onto power. He certainly behaved as though it was.
 
varwoche said:
Furthermore, there are coup actions that Trump took aside from instigating the insurrection. Such as, threatening GA official Brad Raffensperger with prosecution if he doesn't "find" some votes.
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Thermal said:
Bull ****. I've said that the president should be charged with inciting imminent lawless action from word go.

My objection is that the swooners are using the wrong terms, that's all. If a woman is raped, don't swoon about how her soul was murdered. Call it what it ******* is, without the adolescent drama.
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This is important. The attack on the Capitol is part of the coup, it can't be pulled out and examined in isolation and determined not to be a coup because it doesn't meet all the criteria. It's a very dramatic and public and noticeable part---*of* the coup.
 
jimbob said:
It is pretty clear that, regardless of what the others thought, Trump himself intended it to be a way to hold onto power. He certainly behaved as though it was.
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I just started reading "Only I Can Fix It" the new book by two WAPO reporters
about the last year of the Trump Presidency. Only about one fourth of the way through, but it is clear that Trump wanted to be a dictator.
 
I think Pelosi should go on with the hearings no matter what.
Better off without the GOPers trying to sabotage it.
 
Thermal said:
Bull ****. I've said that the president should be charged with inciting imminent lawless action from word go.

My objection is that the swooners are using the wrong terms, that's all. If a woman is raped, don't swoon about how her soul was murdered. Call it what it ******* is, without the adolescent drama.
*snip*
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Highlighted: Wrong analogy. It can be attempted rape even if the man couldn't get a hard on.

No matter how ridiculously amateurish the Capitol rioters were, they attempted a coup. No matter how fluffy his wordings were, T**** incited a coup. "Stop the steal". There was no steal, and any attempt to stop the process was an attempt at a coup.

Ignorance and idiocy is not an excuse for breaking the law.

Hans
 
Stacyhs said:
As predicted, Pelosi rejected Meadows appointment to the 1/6 commission and also Bank's appointment. Now McCarthy is withdrawing all his appointments and self-righteously screaming about how "partisan" Pelosi is being. Does anyone else think that was McCarthy's plan all along? He had to have known she's reject Meadows and likely Banks. I also think the pair's stupid comments in the last 24 hours were deliberately made with the aim of insuring Pelosi's rejection.

I loved Cheney's comments regarding the aim of the commission and McCarthy's lack of dedication to supporting the Constitution over party.
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Hard to say if that was his plan but you can bet either way his plan was to discredit the investigation. They know damn well what it is going to find.

:popcorn1
 
dudalb said:
I think Pelosi should go on with the hearings no matter what.
Better off without the GOPers trying to sabotage it.
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Or at a minimum the GOP trying to insert headline grabbing big mouths to ramble on for their 5 minutes about the faux-investigation.
 
Stacyhs said:
As predicted, Pelosi rejected Meadows appointment to the 1/6 commission and also Bank's appointment. Now McCarthy is withdrawing all his appointments and self-righteously screaming about how "partisan" Pelosi is being. Does anyone else think that was McCarthy's plan all along? He had to have known she's reject Meadows and likely Banks. I also think the pair's stupid comments in the last 24 hours were deliberately made with the aim of insuring Pelosi's rejection.

I loved Cheney's comments regarding the aim of the commission and McCarthy's lack of dedication to supporting the Constitution over party.
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I agree with Cheney's position. I also read that Pelosi may offer positions to other Republicans. I hope she does. An investigation needs to happen.
 
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