Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

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Meadmaker said:
While it is true that there have been some people in this forum celebrating the death of this poor woman, most of us are not celebrating.

Moreover, she was not shot because she was trespassing. She was shot because the policeman who shot her perceived her to be a threat to the Congressmen in the House chamber. We who support his action believe that his threat assessment was reasonable and his actions justified.
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Apologists.
 
And Apple has given Parler 24 hours to clean up its act.

All these brave and principled companies taking action with almost 12 whole days before Trump is out of power and the Democrats take control of the senate......
 
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dudalb said:
US Army vet and we made jokes about the lack of basic infantry skills in the Navy and Air Force..though I understand that the AF actually does have some infanty training in their Basic nowdays.
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Ah, well, it's been more than 30 years since I did basic and I know they decided to raise the standards sometime after I made it through. :D
 
Distracted1 said:
I am reverting to a previously held position.
One that the poster I was responding to seems to agree with.
The use of the term "execution" in instances such as the one being discussed is wrong, unfounded, and indicative of a bias that blinds one from making a reasoned argument.

Neither dishonest, nor hypocritical. In spite of your unfounded accusations.
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No you are just plain old self serving lying.
 
Darat said:
It’s the same as the calls saying Trump shouldn’t be “gone after” once he leaves office because it “won’t bring the country together” or “it’s will be seen as vindictive”.

No it is called showing the country that everyone has to follow the laws and when you don’t there are consequences.
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The argument I've seen is that if Trump is pursued for his crimes the Republicans will then go after every subsequent Democratic President going forward. Make of that what you will.
 
Planigale said:
Thank you. I am unable to access that link as it seems to be behind a paywall. I take your point, that she was shot because others might come through. Did any others? Was there no alternative? Maybe the officer did not have a taser or pepper spray or a baton or handcuffs.

I'll stick with the killing people is wrong view. Even if there was no alternative, it is not something to celebrate. She did not deserve to be shot in the face. This was a sad event, to be regretted, even if there was no other option.
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This has to stop.

For the record, the video shows three police officers blocking the door. The mob escorted them away. Then the mob started their assault on the door. At the other end of said short corridor, one can see house members and staff being hussled out the door at the other end. Crazy woman tries to go through the now busted windows at the head of the mob. Crazy woman buys the farm. Crazy mob backs off.

This is not difficult to understand. Crazy woman enters corridor which also contains house staff and members being EVACUATED due to said crazy mob while wearing a chunky backpack.

That is suicide bomber territory. The correct decision is one to the chest and one to the head. Furthermore, the video shows the belligerence of the perp quite clearly.

You could, of course, have found all the various videos for free had you merely googled it, but you couldn't be bothered, could you?

And do you know what bothers me about that? I am not subscribed to WaPo but I can view it. So can everyone else. Except you for reasons unexplained.

Of course , you could go for a free trial offer, but you won't even do that. Because you cannot be bothered.

Well, I have seen it from every angle. She earned that bullet. Breaching a door while the staff are still in the same corridor? What did she think would happen with people sworn to protect seeing their charges under threat? She must have known, being ex-military, what was likely. But she went ahead anyway.

But hey. If you refuse to even look at the evidence, that is your problem, not anyone else's.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
The argument I've seen is that if Trump is pursued for his crimes the Republicans will then go after every subsequent Democratic President going forward. Make of that what you will.
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They would first have to commit crimes for that to be a viable threat.

Also, *cough*Benghazi*cough*. Been there, done that.
 
Distracted1 said:
Exactly!!!
It is the essence of hypocrisy to shed tears over unarmed people being shot while in the act of breaking the Law, then celebrate the death of this poor woman who was summarily executed for trespassing.
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Again, you just can’t help but tell lies to prop up your pathetic attempts at whataboutism.
 
abaddon said:
This has to stop.

For the record, the video shows three police officers blocking the door. The mob escorted them away. Then the mob started their assault on the door. At the other end of said short corridor, one can see house members and staff being hussled out the door at the other end. Crazy woman tries to go through the now busted windows at the head of the mob. Crazy woman buys the farm. Crazy mob backs off.

This is not difficult to understand. Crazy woman enters corridor which also contains house staff and members being EVACUATED due to said crazy mob while wearing a chunky backpack.

That is suicide bomber territory. The correct decision is one to the chest and one to the head. Furthermore, the video shows the belligerence of the perp quite clearly.

You could, of course, have found all the various videos for free had you merely googled it, but you couldn't be bothered, could you?

And do you know what bothers me about that? I am not subscribed to WaPo but I can view it. So can everyone else. Except you for reasons unexplained.

Of course , you could go for a free trial offer, but you won't even do that. Because you cannot be bothered.

Well, I have seen it from every angle. She earned that bullet. Breaching a door while the staff are still in the same corridor? What did she think would happen with people sworn to protect seeing their charges under threat? She must have known, being ex-military, what was likely. But she went ahead anyway.

But hey. If you refuse to even look at the evidence, that is your problem, not anyone else's.
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There is still one missing piece of evidence.....
....what was the procedure he was taught for deadly force?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
And hopefully a laptop with sensitive data on it has that behind a password. Though I can't say I have confidence they understand that yet in the government.
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Let's hope it wasn't one with the nuclear code on it, together with a memory stick still inserted, with top secret classified information 'for your eyes only'.
 
Planigale said:
I suppose this all depends on definitions. Merriam-Webster 'a putting to death especially as a legal penalty'. She was deliberately put to death. If she was climbing through the window she was of no immediate threat to anybody. Was she armed? I don't know, does anyone here? I still rest with the issue that non-lethal force was available. The potential of what someone else might do is not justification for killing another person. Killing her to discourage others is not a justification for homicide. I would be happy to substitute 'homicide', 'murder', 'kill'.

I do recognise that many of these people were armed. I think the second amendment is stupid and this is a direct consequence of the second amendment, indeed one can say this was the justification for the second amendment. But a key thing (one that one can hear in every dubious shooting of a black man by a LEO) "once you draw your weapon like that, you have to defend yourself with deadly force." No, a police officer drawing a weapon does not mean that by merely drawing his weapon he is justified in using it.

I think posters here do not know what terrorism is. Terrorists would have roamed the corridors shooting everyone they saw, terrorists do not target. This was not terrorism. They were not a radical political group who took hostages and entered into negotiations, they were not political activists who occupied the capitol with a lock in. I have heard no report that a single shot was fired by these rioters*. (I may be wrong and if so I anticipate a stream of corrections.) They stole a podium.

If police officers (or anyone else) were assaulted then the individuals concerned should be prosecuted. I do not defend attacking a police officer with an extinguisher (I have not seen a report of this, but I am sure that the poster who said this knows this as a fact, and I accept this). But this does not justify killing other people.

These maybe horrible neo-nazi scum but they need their rights defended in the same way as every other human.

I think it is deeply sad the police officer died, however it happened. I think it is sad that others died who perhaps might not have had there not been a riot. I am not sad a weirdo right wing Trumpist woman died, but I still thinking shooting her in the face when she was climbing in through a window was unnecessary. I know 'stand your ground' is a US thing, but I do not think this is a reason for killing someone.

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Welcome to Team Right Wing Terrorist!

Not many of you showed up, but those who did are very enthusiastic about telling lies and spreading misinformation to defend people who engaged in a violent coup and murdered a cop.
 
shemp said:
CNN just announced that Trump has been permanently banned from Twitter
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Comedy gold. DonaldTrumpJr bleats:

We are living Orwell’s 1984. Free-speech no longer exists in America. It died with big tech and what’s left is only there for a chosen few.

This is absolute insanity!
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TWITTER PERMANENTLY SUSPENDS @realDonaldTrump account. twitter.com/twittersafety/…
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https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1347697226466828288?s=20


Hahahaha.

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YEAH! I don't think it's fair to suspend Trump from Twitter when all he did was try to incite a civil war. Lol
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"OMG everyone, my dad's social media account was suspended by a private corporation after he violated its rules of conduct/incited an insurrection against the U.S. government."
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P.J. Denyer said:
The argument I've seen is that if Trump is pursued for his crimes the Republicans will then go after every subsequent Democratic President going forward. Make of that what you will.
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Yes, that is definitely an argument that is made.

But the thing is, regardless of what the Democrats do, even if they let Trump off the hook in the interest of "healing the country", the Republicans are still likely to go after democratic presidents, when they have the opportunity.

You're talking about the party that had hearing after hearing on Benghazi in an effort to smear the Democrats. Had Obama had ANY significant personal scandals, they probably would have tried impeaching him.
 
dudalb said:
And there are reports that Laptops are missing form Pelosi's officed.
This might indeed be espionage. Putin would be happy to pay money to get his hands on those.
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I heard the missing laptop used to belong to Hunter Biden.
 
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