Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

[Vixen]

Well, that's a revealing remark. Revealing, not surprising.

It is certainly revealing indeed.

 

[Vixen]

Piece of **** got what she deserved. Lots more should have.

She comes across on her social media as a bit unhinged but nobody deserves to be shot like that. However, of course, the security guy was simply doing what he had been trained to do. If the security at the door and the outskirts had been the slightest bit secure this could never have happened.

 

[timhau]

From the NYT:

Aaron, the construction worker from Indianapolis, and his two friends had heard people talking about going to Ms. Pelosi’s office. So once inside they decided to instead find Senator Chuck Schumer’s office. Both are Democrats.

“We wanted to have a few words” with Mr. Schumer, he said. “He’s probably the most corrupt guy up here. You don’t hear too much about him. But he’s slimy. You can just see it.”

But they could not find Mr. Schumer’s office. He said they asked a Capitol Police officer, who tried to direct them. But they appeared to have gotten nowhere near the minority’s leader’s office. They ended up smoking a few cigarettes inside the building — “We can smoke in our house,” Aaron said — and one of his friends, who would not give his name, joked that he had gone to the bathroom and not flushed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/u...s-capitol.html

(bolding mine)

Ah.They must have excellent eyesight. I can think of no other reason they'd see that (((Chuck Schumer))) is slimy.

 

[Vixen]

Correction: psychopaths are born; sociopaths are made. Trump is sociopath. Malignant narcissists (NPD) are likely made but may have a genetic predisposition. From the Mayo Clinic:

That is nonsense. There are some indicators of a medical cause of psychopathy such as an undersized amygdala gland. However, that could be caused by exigencies in early childhood. Psychopath is simply the earlier term for sociopath. Just as the terms 'cretin' and 'moron' have been replaced, due to language stigmatisation.

As for 'narcissistic' that term is also so overused as to be near meaningless and more a term of abuse , like the above.

There is no doubting Trump is a cunning, sly, calculating and cruel man but to claim it is caused by illness rather than his vile personality is a cop-out IMV.

 

[Vixen]

The police officer reported as dead is still alive.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/status/1347354329137651713

This police officer has died:

https://twitter.com/BeardCoachCo/status/1347516253095813121?s=20

Officer Sicknick has died of his injuries sustained during his defense of America during the attempted coup on January 6th, 2021.

Please keep his family in your thoughts, prayers and vibes.

https://uscp.gov/media-center/press-releases/loss-uscp-colleague-brian-d-sicknick

#sicknick

 

[Vixen]

Or it's one of those christian values households where Daddy knows best and Mommy demurs.



I didn't see any bulbs above 40 watts in the entire insurrectionist mob.

That is what embarrasses the USA most: the state of those MAGA specimens. Makes the UK Brexiteers look like gentlemen of great esteem.

 

[Vixen]

Most of this crowd will see no penalty as they simply walked through open doors. Others are likely to do prison. Smiling and waving to the cameras might cause a few to lose their jobs, but walking off with Federal property probably worth thousands and a symbol of our democracy is likely to be serious.

If the guy has a half a brain, he should be returning the podium and turning himself in ASAP.

Nope. Already on Ebay.

 

[Vixen]

My guess is that somebody wrote that and told Trump that he is going to read that statement or he is going to prison.

Not only is Trump a traitor to his country he has now also betrayed his supporters, who were doing it all for him. Trump is a ****. (I hope the word censor works.)

 

[Vixen]

How about the head instigator? You know, the guy who said" You gotta get your people to fight . . . Because you'll never take back our country with weakness, you have to show strength and you have to be strong." Any blowback on that guy?

He'll claim he was using the word figuratively.

 

[Vixen]

I would disagree. I think no one deserves to be executed. The description of climbing through a window does not sound like she was an immediate threat to life. It should have been possible to subdue her using non lethal force. I do note the responsible officer has been suspended.

I understand the 'emotional' issue, the violation some US citizens feel. But this was a few protesters who broke into a public building. This happens all the time. They did not even organise a sit in! They did not line people up against the wall and shoot them; that is what happens in real coups.

Shooting demonstrators in the streets is what happens in third world countries, the outcome of the policing here was good one person shot is one too many. I am not sure what happened to the police officer who died, all that is said it was injuries occurring during the protest, this might mean he fell down stairs. Perhaps someone here knows the nature of his injuries?

That does not mean I support Trump or these right wing nut cases, I would politically be a Saunders supporter. But even right wing nut cases should not be shot down. Police violence does not become right when it is against your political opponents.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/01/semi-naked-climate-protesters-disrupt-brexit-debate

To be fair, Capitol Building is a highly secure one, rather like Parliament in London. After the stabbing of a policemen in its grounds by a jihadist, police will now shoot to kill anyone who tries to breach its security. That is what the world has come to. Can't expect the armed police to make exceptions as ignorance of the law is not an excuse. Try bursting into the White House or the Pentagon and you are a goner.

 

[catsmate]

Of course, odds are probably high that there will be a blanket pardon coming down for anyone and everyone in the mob....

A Presidential pardon has no effect on non-Federal charges.

 

[rdaneel]

Nope. Already on Ebay.

According to Snopes, it's unknown if the listing was genuine and Ebay has already removed it.

 

[Vixen]

No, it wasn't. It was a group of entitled, angry Trump dead-enders whose intention was to disrupt and possible thwart the certification of a Biden electoral victory. They carried confederate flags, wore racist and anti-Semitic clothing like Auschwitz Camp hoodies and 6MWE T-shirts; they erected a hangman's scaffold for ****'s sake and spouted they were storming the Capitol in a revolution. They physically forced their way into the building and were such a concern that representatives had to be hustled to safety.

The only reason they didn't do more damage was that they were inept, which in no way excuses their behavior, and according to law enforcement, they have more chaos planned.

**** them.

They didn't do more damage, simply because the security cop shot that 'protester' dead. That stopped them surging in.

 

[Vixen]

From the NYT:

(bolding mine)

Not flushing the toilet? Disgusting.

But they could not find Mr. Schumer’s office. He said they asked a Capitol Police officer, who tried to direct them. But they appeared to have gotten nowhere near the minority’s leader’s office. They ended up smoking a few cigarettes inside the building — “We can smoke in our house,” Aaron said — and one of his friends, who would not give his name, joked that he had gone to the bathroom and not flushed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/u...s-capitol.html

 

[Vixen]

It wouldn't be out of character for President Trump to say that he was pardoning the patriots - thus emboldening others to commit further insurrections in the remaining 12 days or so.

It also wouldn't be out of character for him to fail to follow through on this and leave them to rot in jail because it doesn't benefit him directly.

As you say, the instigators will likely get off.

No, the slimeball is distancing himself. So much for the captain going down with the ship. Not Trump! No sireeeeee.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

A Presidential pardon has no effect on non-Federal charges.

On the Opening Arguments podcast, it was pointed out that ALL crimes in the District of Columbia are federal crimes. So there’s that.

 

[Horatius]

Not flushing the toilet? Disgusting.

Disgusting, and about the level of class you'd expect from a Trumper, but at the same time, hey, thanks for the DNA sample, dickwad!

 

[Vixen]

Disgusting, and about the level of class you'd expect from a Trumper, but at the same time, hey, thanks for the DNA sample, dickwad!

Hamburger DNA found, your Honour.

 

[Susheel]

Looks like you have some of our own brand of deplorables there helping out. Quite sure he is one of the NRI Modi devotees (sanghis or bhakts as they are referred to here).

 

[Ryokan]

They didn't do more damage, simply because the security cop shot that 'protester' dead. That stopped them surging in.

It took the air right out of them. They hadn't expected consequences.