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Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

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Nessie said:
1 - India is the world's biggest democracy, not the USA. That matters not as size is not an indicator of success.
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I'm not sure what your point is here, because India's leadership is as bad as America's. So is Brazil's, and Pakistan, Nigeria and Indonesia aren't exactly great role models.

The only inference I can take from that is that very large democracy doesn't serve the people.

China will be delighted.

Nessie said:
2 - in no measure on any index is the USA the worlds greatest democracy. It ranks below many countries when it comes to democratic functioning and freedoms.
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Yeah, but they've got that whole "sole superpower" thing going for them.

I can see the logic in referring to it as the greatest, simply on its position as former leader of the free world. Will be again next month.

Nessie said:
3 - Trumps actions have seriously damaged the US worlds standing and countries considered a threat to world democracy and freedoms, primarily Russia and China must be laughing their heads off.]/QUOTE]

I hear you could hear Vlad's laughter from Ukraine - he'll be lapping it up.

As to the world standing, you've got the luxury of a very low base and now you have the wildly-popular Obama presidency Veep in charge, if you take a poll next month you'll find the damage has been completely reversed.

Nessie said:
4 - Trump is still a large part of America, we cannot kid ourselves he is not. What Trump has fired up is far from over and the internal splits in the USA may never heal. Instead of this being the end, it is more likely a continuation of his influence over many Americans.
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Nah - you've already seen all the rats desert that ship.

What he's done is narrowed his support down to the small minority of people of human garbage. No sane Republican will support him now, and it's all gone to prove just how absurdly stupid Trump is.

Did he really think a bunch of rednecks could seize the government?

Why, yes he did, and in the process has destroyed any chance of re-election.

It's the best possible end to his presidency - alone, threatened with removal for being unfit for office, utterly broken.
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JoeMorgue said:
"No he didn't really do it because (pointless semantic excuse) and me being super hyper-focused on your less than mathematically perfect language while ignoring what Trump is doing is both super important and has no ulterior motive."
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I must say, this is one place where being hyper-focused on less than mathematically perfect semantics likely has no ulterior motive.

It doesn't make it super important though.
 
Meadmaker said:
I feel compelled by decency to pretend I did not laugh out loud when I read that.
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I debated a bit before posting that, as it is not part of my normal style. So I went wild and crazy for one post - sue me! :D
 
Fast Eddie B said:
If anyone is from Knoxville and knows Elizabeth...

1) There’s a reward waiting for you, and,

2) That tweet will likely be Exhibit A in her prosecution.
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I think this might be even easier for a prosecution:


johnny karate said:
Another right wing terrorist safe in his stupidity and privilege confessing to felonies on live television and who probably slept in his own bed last night:
https://mobile.twitter.com/Ugarles/status/1346985940829556736
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jimbob said:
In Elizebeth's case, she seems affronted and utterly surprised that she was maced, so I think AnonyMoose is accurate.

Where bravado crosses with stupidity.

And with guns.
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"It's a revolution" she says. In a wounded tone which implies the authorities who maced her fail to grasp this. I mean, you're not supposed to oppose a revolution, are you? The revolution* is the goodies.

*Oh but not, like, communist revolutionaries, or anything icky like that, obvs. They are the baddies. No, just nice revolutionaries. Regular, commonsense people who only want to drag the vice president out of the building and string him up from a lamp post.
 
Grandkid: Grandma I’ve got to do a report on the civil war of the 2020s, I know you helped defeat the first coup attempt, what did you do.

Grandma: Well I turned to your Grandpa and said enough was enough, I logged in and set Trump’s Facebook account to :”Banned”.
 
jimbob said:
In Elizebeth's case, she seems affronted and utterly surprised that she was maced, so I think AnonyMoose is accurate.

Where bravado crosses with stupidity.

And with guns.
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And with cell phones.

Step 1: Get warrants for position data from major carriers.
Step 2: Identify cell phones in the capitol between time x and time y.
Step 3: Identify owners of cell phones from step 2.
Step 4: Arrest!
 
So the officer who shot the insurrectionist dead has been suspended pending investigation, no word of course on his colleagues who practically gave the others a guided tour and posed for photographs. This is probably the one police shooting where being in fear of his life should be a totally acceptable defence and I look forward to this being dropped without charges in the same way other officers across the USA have been, unless of course it has to be an unarmed black person for the police officer to get a pass?
 
Garrison said:
So the officer who shot the insurrectionist dead has been suspended pending investigation, no word of course on his colleagues who practically gave the others a guided tour and posed for photographs. This is probably the one police shooting where being in fear of his life should be a totally acceptable defence and I look forward to this being dropped without charges in the same way other officers across the USA have been, unless of course it has to be an unarmed black person for the police officer to get a pass?
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You have to understand that "Police" are not a singular entity in the US.

There's 18,000 different law enforcement agencies in the US, with varying levels of autonomy.
 
JoeMorgue said:
You have to understand that "Police" are not a singular entity in the US.

There's 18,000 different law enforcement agencies in the US, with varying levels of autonomy.
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This what a great many people not US Citizens fail to understnad.
The American tradition has been that most law enforcement should be at the level of government closest to the people:Local Governments.
 
slyjoe said:
And with cell phones.

Step 1: Get warrants for position data from major carriers.
Step 2: Identify cell phones in the capitol between time x and time y.
Step 3: Identify owners of cell phones from step 2.
Step 4: Arrest!
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Also check what was being livestreamed on facebook and by whom at that time

I am thinking about this nice character, who knows enough to hide his face, but does have a mobile presumably to film his antics

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErI1ne4XMAICBGy?format=jpg&name=small
 
Speedskater said:
About how many people attended the rally?
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I have not seen any estimates more precise than "stadium-sized crowd". There were initially three different events scheduled at different places, so they were spread out a bit.

That about fit with what I saw on the various live feeds I was watching yesterday - dense crowds mulling around at barricades, but not more than 15-20 people thick from front to back, lots of open space behind all that. I would not be surprised to find out that less than 5000 were actually at the Capitol itself.

All of the law enforcement agencies in D.C. have many times handled much larger groups of belligerent people, they have the experience, the equipment, training, budget and manpower to handle this sort of thing.

The leadership failed to apply any of that.
 
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