Trump's Coup d'état.

[Firestone]

FAKE NEWS!!!!

You joke, but the fact that Biden's inauguration will most probably, due to COVID-19, have less attendants than Trump's, will become part of "Stolen Election CT."

"How could Biden, who never left his basement, had no boaters parade for him, had so few people at his fake inauguration, get 82m votes?"

 

[Elagabalus]

Maybe this has been posted already, but one of Trump's lawyers, Lin Wood, signed a declaration "under plenty of perjury" rather than "under penalty of perjury".

Link

Maybe it's some special legalistic ruse ("I said I did the perjury, so you can't arrest me, like inviting Dracula into your house, or something!")

Or maybe he is even smarter than that, which is why he signs his name "Lin Woods"

Link

Be nice to Lin. He's part of Operation:Confound. He's damn near doing the work for us. He recommends that Conservatives stay home for the Georgia run-offs to send a message! Go, Lin, Go!

 

[Elagabalus]

You joke, but the fact that Biden's inauguration will most probably, due to COVID-19, have less attendants than Trump's, will become part of "Stolen Election CT."

"How could Biden, who never left his basement, had no boaters parade for him, had so few people at his fake inauguration, get 82m votes?"

They're going to say it, anyway. They be cray cray. And they're not coming back from it.

 

[dudalb]

Vote Like You Shoot
What a grim book.
Did Dudalb recommend this?
Better idea: Shoot like you vote.
Way fewer deaths and injuries.

I did not recommend it, except as a last resort if the US turned into a clear dictatorship.
The I would consider it like World War 2; a necessary "appeal to arms".
Somehow I doubt we could have stopped Hitler and Militarist Japan by peaceful means.

 

[dudalb]

Dissolve the Senate? Where have I heard that before?

Don't dissolve it like Paplatine did;way too obvious.
Do what the Roman Emperors did; pack it with sycopanths and yes men.you mantain the illusion of a elected body while controlling it.

 

[The Don]

I did not recommend it, except as a last resort if the US turned into a clear dictatorship.
The I would consider it like World War 2; a necessary "appeal to arms".
Somehow I doubt we could have stopped Hitler and Militarist Japan by peaceful means.

I doubt that an uprising by a ragtag group of civilians would have made much of a dent either.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

I doubt that an uprising by a ragtag group of civilians would have made much of a dent either.

It’s hard to quantify, but partisan resistance in occupied countries were a thorn in Hitler’s side throughout the war. Acts of sabotage slowed things down as well. The uprising in the Warsaw Ghetto allegedly required troops from the Eastern Front to be redeployed, perhaps weakening that front and hastening the end of the war, if only by a little.

A good book on the topic:

 

[Armitage72]

Somehow I doubt we could have stopped Hitler and Militarist Japan by peaceful means.

I once read an alternate history short story in which Germany conquered Great Britain and took control of its international territories, including India. Believing that the stories of Nazi atrocities had largely been British propaganda, Ghandi tried to use passive resistance and noncooperation against the Nazis. It didn't end well.

 

[Meadmaker]

I doubt that an uprising by a ragtag group of civilians would have made much of a dent either.

It isn't going to happen, but....


If it were to come to armed resistance, if the US military forces remained undivided, they would win. The role of an armed resistance would be to force the usurper to give an order that the military would refuse to follow. There would be large scale demonstrations in the streets, and pockets of violence against government targets, that would force the usurper to issue an order to quell the demonstrations using armed force, in such a way that a fair number of deaths would be inevitable, and some generals would say, "NO".

However, it won't come to that, because all or almost all of the generals in the US would say no even before the mass demonstrations or sporadic violence began.

It would be nice to say that the President respected democracy and wouldn't even contemplate staying on after losing the election, but I certainly don't trust Trump to do that. I do trust almost everyone else in government, and in the military, to respect democracy enough that they wouldn't follow the orders of a madman attempting to seize power.

This is all purely fantasy type speculation. What if....?

It will be interesting to see how Donald Trump ultimately does step down. Somewhere along the line, he has to start packing. My guess is that right now he's mostly trolling. He knows there is nothing he can do about leaving office, but he is having a laugh at our expense watching us all get worked into a tizzy about coup attempts and military takeovers. That's just a guess, though. Who knows what is really going on inside the man's head? Whatever it is, I'm sure it's crazy.

 

[Firestone]

It is well past time for Pence and the cabinet to start the 25th amendment process of declaring trump unable to perform his duties. Not that I have the least bit of confidence that Pence or a majority of the cabinet will do it, nor that enough Republicans in Congress would support it to get the necessary 2/3 in both houses.

Not that it will happen, Pence being Pence and the Trump cabinet being the Trump cabinet.

But assuming that no way both houses of Congress vote by 2/3 that Trump is unable to perform his duties, the "right" day to invoke the 25th amendment would be Dec 26th.
If Trump objects, Pence+Cabinet have four days to confirm that Trump is unable to perform his duties. Trump then resumes his powers if, within 21 days, both houses of Congress don't support Pence+Cabinet with a 2/3 vote.

4+21=25. Dec 26th + 25 = Jan 20th

That way Trump is out until Biden comes in, without a vote in Congress.

It won't happen.

But is should.

 

[Monza]

I'm curious as to when the Trumps start packing up the residence portion of the White House. I think Melania may have already started, as I read that she was making plans to have stuff shipped to Florida. I also read about the behind the scenes action that takes place during the inauguration. A team works furiously to clean the White House, change decorations, unpack the new President's items, etc. So when the inauguration is over, the new President can move in and feel like it's his own.

If Trump plans on throwing a tantrum, will the team just pack up his stuff? It will be easier if he goes to Florida for the holidays and doesn't return. They can just ship him a bunch of boxes.

Anyway, the actions inside the White House of the staff should give a good indication of what will happen come January 20.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Somehow I doubt we could have stopped Hitler and Militarist Japan by peaceful means.

Several Armies and Navies stopped Hitler and Japan, not a "resistance."

 

[Craig4]

Don't dissolve it like Paplatine did;way too obvious.
Do what the Roman Emperors did; pack it with sycopanths and yes men.you mantain the illusion of a elected body while controlling it.

I wouldn't dissolve it like Palpatine did either, mostly because people can't really shoot electricity out of their fingers.

 

[Horatius]

The US will never cease to amaze us, Europeans.

Obama also had a second inauguration, attended by approximately one million people. (Yes, yes, that's more than attended Trump's first and last inauguration.)

You just admitted he'll have TWO inaugurations! That means you know he won the election! Checkers mate, Libtard!

It isn't going to happen, but....


If it were to come to armed resistance, if the US military forces remained undivided, they would win. The role of an armed resistance would be to force the usurper to give an order that the military would refuse to follow. There would be large scale demonstrations in the streets, and pockets of violence against government targets, that would force the usurper to issue an order to quell the demonstrations using armed force, in such a way that a fair number of deaths would be inevitable, and some generals would say, "NO".

Or, alternatively, force them to actually commit an atrocity.

50 years later, all I have to say is "Kent State", and you know exactly what I'm talking about.

How would a bunch of panicky National Guard troops gunning down 4 students compare with a front-line Army or Marine unit getting into a firefight with a couple of hundred armed civilians? I've no doubt the civilians would end up with the short end of the stick, but the image of that event would have a massive impact on the minds of almost all Americans, no matter which side the civilians were on.

 

[Meadmaker]

Or, alternatively, force them to actually commit an atrocity.

Well, yes. That is a possibility. Again, I don't think it is at all likely in our real USA today, but in general, that's the way things would go in a democratic society where someone attempted to illegally take (or retain) power. A popular uprising that includes armed resistance has no chance of actually defeating a trained and equipped military force, but the existence of that uprising could influence some or all of the military to not follow the orders of the usurper.

 

[eerok]

I wouldn't dissolve it like Palpatine did either, mostly because people can't really shoot electricity out of their fingers.

Didn't we see Rudy leaking battery acid out of his temples?

 

[Elagabalus]

You just admitted he'll have TWO inaugurations! That means you know he won the election! Checkers mate, Libtard!







Or, alternatively, force them to actually commit an atrocity.

50 years later, all I have to say is "Kent State", and you know exactly what I'm talking about.

How would a bunch of panicky National Guard troops gunning down 4 students compare with a front-line Army or Marine unit getting into a firefight with a couple of hundred armed civilians? I've no doubt the civilians would end up with the short end of the stick, but the image of that event would have a massive impact on the minds of almost all Americans, no matter which side the civilians were on.

Not quite. The little traitors on their Hoverounds™ deserve it. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 

[Tero]

If a bunch of congressmen and 1 senator demand a vote in Jan to overthrow the electors, is it possible for every GOP senator but the 1 to abstain?

 

[acbytesla]

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[Dave Rogers]

If a bunch of congressmen and 1 senator demand a vote in Jan to overthrow the electors, is it possible for every GOP senator but the 1 to abstain?

Wouldn't that mean that the vote would more or less automatically be defeated, either because all the votes counted would be against it or because the Senate wouldn't have a quorum?

Dave