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Trump's Coup d'état.

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Re: Trump's influence if he lost the 2016 election...
The Great Zaganza said:
Sure, but he could have been on Fox and other shows 24/7 on top of his Twitter deluge.
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I guess the question is... would Fox News actually want him on.

He has called into shows like Fox and Friends, and the hosts actually started to look uncomfortable as Trump droned on and on, with his almost random, unfocused rants... but then, its probably seen as best not to cut off the president.

As a losing candidate, Fox might not have the same interest in humoring him. He's too mentally disorganized to concentrate on one thing during a segment of a show and not relevant enough to be a "must have" guest.
 
Trump would not want to work for Fox even as an unconstrained pundit with his own show. This not because he's had a falling out with them, but because he's not going to work for anyone. That's beneath him.
 
Segnosaur said:
Re: Trump's influence if he lost the 2016 election...

I guess the question is... would Fox News actually want him on.

He has called into shows like Fox and Friends, and the hosts actually started to look uncomfortable as Trump droned on and on, with his almost random, unfocused rants... but then, its probably seen as best not to cut off the president.

As a losing candidate, Fox might not have the same interest in humoring him. He's too mentally disorganized to concentrate on one thing during a segment of a show and not relevant enough to be a "must have" guest.
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It would depend on what advertisers or sponsors would be willing to spend for such a show. I suspect very little, probably some pillow maker?
 
Cavemonster said:
Here's a video with a few current Trump supporters including Conway criticizing him.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/12/18/trump-allies-past-comments-dons-take-ctn-sot-vpx.cnn

In this video she talks about how he made his money on the backs of the "little guy" accuses him of not paying contractors etc.

That's not the worst thing I've seen her say about him as a talking head, but it was the first one that came up in a search, and it serves the broader point that got us here- Trump has his support because people got behind him when he started winning.
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Compared to what most of Trump's "friends" have said about him, that barely qualifies as criticism, let alone contempt. Maybe it's out there, but I can't find it. Her Husband and daughter are another story.
 
Cavemonster said:
Has a losing presidential candidate ever become a massive cult figure in their party? Who wasn't one before?
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Has a winning one?

I mean, sure, we have a certain (probably undeserved) glorification of certain figures (Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan) but I'd say that we have not seen something like the Trump personality cult before (with winning or losing presidential candidates).
 
cosmicaug said:
Has a winning one?

I mean, sure, we have a certain (probably undeserved) glorification of certain figures (Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan) but I'd say that we have not seen something like the Trump personality cult before (with winning or losing presidential candidates).
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Trump plugged into conspiracism, a spectrum of mental illness. There's a lot of angry, paranoid, unstable, mush-minded people out there now being inspired by a narcissistic jackass.

You could call it a personality disorder cult.
 
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cosmicaug said:
Has a winning one?

I mean, sure, we have a certain (probably undeserved) glorification of certain figures (Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan) but I'd say that we have not seen something like the Trump personality cult before (with winning or losing presidential candidates).
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I absolutely agree that Trump is unique, but normally losing a national election brings about a bit of a decrease in the rising star of influence.

He wasn't nearly so popular among conservatives before he ran, he gained a fan base as a crazy Obama critic, but he didn't direct the voting habits of enough republicans to move the party direction then, and losing the election does not seem likely to have created the boost he saw as President.

He may have been more successful at it than Palin, but as others have noted, he's not a great talking head, he's less coherent than Limbaugh.

It seems like you're casting his success in swaying the loyalty of Republicans as something inherent to his personal charisma, and I see it as more of a perfect storm of aligning events which really needed his election to push it over the top.

I suspect that before the Biden Presidency is over, some other crazy guy is going to be the new messiah of the right.
 
Cavemonster said:
It seems like you're casting his success in swaying the loyalty of Republicans as something inherent to his personal charisma, and I see it as more of a perfect storm of aligning events which really needed his election to push it over the top.

I suspect that before the Biden Presidency is over, some other crazy guy is going to be the new messiah of the right.
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I hope for otherwise but I fear you may be correct. There's probably not enough room for 2 full blown personality cults at the same time with the American electorate. If there is to be one, it is better that it be headed by an ineffectual, defeated Trump than by someone new who can draw from the lessons of the Trump presidency & surpass him.

While it may be some weird perfect storm of aligning events that put Trump where he is, I think we would be wrong in thinking that only Trump can fill that role of aspiring fascist leader and only with those "aligning events".

The problem with Trumpism is not Trump.
 
More evidence Trump will be vacating the WH:

Over 300,000 have pledged to attend a virtual 2nd inauguration for Trump on Facebook

Looks like another scam money raising event.
The Facebook event for Donald J. Trump 2nd Presidential Inauguration Ceremony is to be held simultaneously with the actual inauguration of President-elect Joe Biden. This "inauguration" for Trump is purely theater, obviously, likely either the product of delusion or denial, perhaps both.

That hasn't stopped nearly 325,000 from indicating they may attend; 60,000 of whom say they are definitely going. Unlike the debunked tale of a Trump inauguration planned for Mar-a-Lago, a sizable portion of the people attending the online inauguration are completely serious, as is the event itself.
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This is interesting:
Irrespective of whether the Facebook inauguration is intended as a serious event, it won't have the intended effect. Biden will be sworn in as president on Jan. 20.

The event page itself includes this disclaimer: "Joe Biden is the President-elect. He will be inaugurated as the 46th US President on January 20, 2021."
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JoeMorgue said:
Trump's base is both die-hard Republicans who if the GOP nominated the head of Josef Goebbels sewn onto the body of a deep sea angler fish who ran on a campaign of "I'm going to slap you in the face with your own dead dog while I bang your wife on the casket at your mother's funeral" would still vote for them because "The Demmiecrat would be worse..." and sad little perpetual adolescent nihilist who just want to troll the country and don't give a crap about Trump personally.

And the worst part is how much of that base are the same people, switching back and forth between the two mentalities.
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Wait. What’s his stance on Climate Change?
 
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