Trump's Coup d'état.

[cosmicaug]

It's not about integrity, it's about self-preservation. If they actually attempt to abandon law and the Constitution, then they've lost something bigger than an election. I don't think they have a hope of stopping Biden's inauguration regardless of what stupid crap Trump pronounces, and they know this as well as anyone. It's not a viable plan.

The GOP dingleberries will keep clinging to Trump out of self-interest, but I don't think this extends to political suicide.

Let me get this right. Your thesis is that GOP politicians will become sane because of self preservation because they fear that it will be political suicide to be otherwise because they think that if the 74 million people who voted for Trump see them continuing to be insane they will stop voting for them?

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Time and again, Republicans have shown that they believe that nothing they do or say will have consequences that the next Democrat President can't fix.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Time and again, Republicans have shown that they believe that nothing they do or say will have consequences that the next Democrat President can't fix.

It's a rather lovely paradox for us as well.

The more efficiently Biden and his administration manage to make things better, the more we're going to hear "OH see there was nothing to be all dramatic about!" from the Right Wing Trolls.

 

[cosmicaug]

I don't know anyone who thinks this is no big deal.

I'm definitely seeing folk who suggest this. I'm definitely seeing folk who suggest that this episode is proving that our institutions are holding up, are strong, will be fine forever more and that nothing needs fixing because nothing is broken.

 

[eerok]

Let me get this right. Your thesis is that GOP politicians will become sane because of self preservation because they fear that it will be political suicide to be otherwise because they think that if the 74 million people who voted for Trump see them continuing to be insane they will stop voting for them?

I didn't say anything about sanity. I don't think they have the balls to support an Insurrection Act coup at this time. There is always a political cost for humiliating failure ... unless you're suggesting that they could pull it off.

 

[Mader Levap]

Again I'm overjoyed that Trump has thrown enough dirt on America's grave that the people sitting on the sideline for years polishing up their dancing shoes can now finally dance on it.

Sure, sure. Handwave away opinion that you do not like to hear as "they just don't like USA so they can't be right and they want it to happen".

I don't know anyone who thinks this is no big deal. It's just not going to keep Trump in office.

You are one of people that dismissed this problem during discussions on this very forum for months, because inept stupid failed coup does not count for... reasons. Or something. It was very eyeroll inducing.

The impending violence is a very big deal.

Nope. It is little detail compared to conversion of USA into rightwing authoritarian state.

 

[Ladewig]

I didn't say anything about sanity. I don't think they have the balls to support an Insurrection Act coup at this time. There is always a political cost for humiliating failure ... unless you're suggesting that they could pull it off.

I don’t think they have the balls not too.

I don’t see the MAGA-heads saying, “my representative supported Trump right up until his humiliating failure therefore I will no longer vote for him.” I see them sAying “Trump won and my representative supported Trump as he was robbed of office therefore I will support him.”

Once you’ve drunk the Kool-aid, nothing is going to bring you back to a belief in facts, logic, and rationality.

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I don’t think it will be political suicide, but remember: a bunch of people might be on a speeding train headed for a cliff and they say, I’m profiting from this ride, but I’m prepared to jump off before the whole thing goes over the cliff. But Some of those people will try to jump off the train too late to save themselves. Ha-ha.

 

[dudalb]

I repeoat what I have been saying for some time:
If things in the USA are really as bad as some people here say, the only logical thing to do is arm up, get a rifle and learn how to use it. Otherwise you either don't really belive what you saying or you are a fool.
And it's always easy to be a internet revolutionary.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I'm definitely seeing folk who suggest this. I'm definitely seeing folk who suggest that this episode is proving that our institutions are holding up, are strong, will be fine forever more and that nothing needs fixing because nothing is broken.

You are one of people that dismissed this problem during discussions on this very forum for months, because inept stupid failed coup does not count for... reasons. Or something. It was very eyeroll inducing.

Don't confuse dismissing the coup threat with dismissing the violence threat. I made this clear several times.

It gets tiring to see this false claim about what I've posted over and over.

 

[eerok]

I don’t think they have the balls not too.

When there's no chance it'll work?

Sure, the situation is ripe for disaster porn, but the army isn't going to march in and get Trump elected.

 

[trustbutverify]

4.) State Legislatures will devise creative systems for the allocation of Electors, for example by allowing the Legislatures to intervene after the elections.
Given the asinine system of lame duck legislatures, there is zero risk in doing so. (I'm actually amazed it hasn't happened yet.)


nEvEr FoRgeT jAdE hElM!

5. Turn your brownshirts loose on any member of The Party who deviates in any way from the program.

 

[dirtywick]

I repeoat what I have been saying for some time:
If things in the USA are really as bad as some people here say, the only logical thing to do is arm up, get a rifle and learn how to use it. Otherwise you either don't really belive what you saying or you are a fool.
And it's always easy to be a internet revolutionary.

Lol the guys taking your advice, which are the guys bringing guns to the political protests and threatening martial law and military coups are part of the problem.

 

[trustbutverify]

It's not about integrity, it's about self-preservation. If they actually attempt to abandon law and the Constitution, then they've lost something bigger than an election. I don't think they have a hope of stopping Biden's inauguration regardless of what stupid crap Trump pronounces, and they know this as well as anyone. It's not a viable plan.

The GOP dingleberries will keep clinging to Trump out of self-interest, but I don't think this extends to political suicide.

The flatearth right currently has about a third of the US voting public in their pockets. If they can drive that number up into the mid 40's during the next decade, this country will be facing an existential threat, despite their inability to keep Trump in office presently.

 

[CORed]

And who stopped him when he used "national security concerns" to impose punitive tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum? "National security concerns", really.

Hey, somegody has to protect us from those dastardly Canadians. You never know when they're going to decide to get even with us for invading them in 1812.

 

[cosmicaug]

I didn't say anything about sanity. I don't think they have the balls to support an Insurrection Act coup at this time. There is always a political cost for humiliating failure ... unless you're suggesting that they could pull it off.

Sorry, I misunderstood what you were talking about (it was short term support of the coup but I misunderstood as whether Republicans will moderate into the new term).

 

[eerok]

Hey, somegody has to protect us from those dastardly Canadians. You never know when they're going to decide to get even with us for invading them in 1812.

Wasn't burning Washington enough getting even for you?

Just kidding, actually it was the British who did that.

 

[cosmicaug]

I repeoat what I have been saying for some time:
If things in the USA are really as bad as some people here say, the only logical thing to do is arm up, get a rifle and learn how to use it. Otherwise you either don't really belive what you saying or you are a fool.

Honestly, if things are as bad as some people here say, much of life will not change for most. You'll go to sleep, you'll go to work, you'll go shopping, you'll hang out with others, make social connections with others (when we return to the pre-Covid-19 normal), get involved in relationships, get divorced, etc..

 

[eerok]

Sorry, I misunderstood what you were talking about (it was short term support of the coup but I misunderstood as whether Republicans will moderate into the new term).

Oh, if you're just saying the GOP will continue to be dicks, I can't argue with that.

 

[angrysoba]

I repeoat what I have been saying for some time:
If things in the USA are really as bad as some people here say, the only logical thing to do is arm up, get a rifle and learn how to use it. Otherwise you either don't really belive what you saying or you are a fool.
And it's always easy to be a internet revolutionary.

This is just silliness.

"Get a rifle and start preparing for the next Civil War!" Said man on the internet.

 

[Meadmaker]

This is just silliness.

"Get a rifle and start preparing for the next Civil War!" Said man on the internet.

Actually, I don't think that's what he just said.


But, I find myself wondering what really ought to be done. I believe we just had a fair and free election, so what really ought to be done is go back to work for the next four years and hope for the best. However, there are people who believe that the election was stolen, and there are other people who believe that it is about to be stolen.

If an election is held, and someone takes power or remains in power in defiance of the true election results, that whole rifle scenario doesn't seem like such a bad idea. At the very least some marching in the streets with an implied threat of the rifle scenario doesn't seem like a bad idea. So, for those trumpers who sincerely believe that an election was stolen, then it makes sense to encourage some sort of violent confrontation to keep the "true" president in office. However, i would strongly encourage those so inclined to first gather all the evidence they can, so that they can convince people that's what really happened.

And if people aren't convinced, I would strongly encourage them to look at the evidence themselves and see how ridiculous it is, and notice that there are more of the other people than there are of the true believers, and that maybe an armed revolution isn't actually such a good idea.