Trump's Coup d'état.

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rdaneel said:
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In fact, it just occurred to me that "Inspector Clouseau" would be a perfect new nickname for Rudy Giuliani.
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Nah - yes they are both fumbling, accident prone idiots but Clouseau did want to do good.
 
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Segnosaur said:
From: BBC
(Trump) has changed his view on abortion, going from pro-choice in 1999 to pro-life with exceptions today.

From: wikipedia
...in April 1990, Trump told a crowd of 700 people that U.S. drug enforcement policy was "a joke", and that: "We're losing badly the war on drugs. You have to legalize drugs to win that war.

Of course with Trump, not only do you have to worry about him shifting positions over time, you also have to worry about him giving contradictory claims within a short period. (i.e. outright lying)
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Trump has no principals except Donald Trump. Only reason he became a Republican is he saw that the GOP was an easier target for a "hostile takeover" then the Democrats.
This, btw, In one of the main ponts of the Never Trumpers, and non insane conservatives like George Will, Jennifer Rubin and Max Boot.
 
Delvo said:
And I just realized where I'd heard that kind of thing before. It's the "Freemen On The Land". It's been a long time since I've heard anything from them, but now the Trumpers have started acting just like them. If the law of the land doesn't give you what you want (this time), just make up your own (this time)... and throw it at people in a flurry.
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This, exactly. We spent years arguing against this sort of conspiracy mindset, only to have an actual conspiracy theorist elected president. It's no surprise at all that we are now seeing CTist arguments raised in the legislatures, with complete seriousness.

Too bad no one ever listened to us.
 
Every time I hear the charges—illegal people voting, voting multiple times, dead people voting, boxes of ballots dumped into the mix and so on—other than saying these are false, why doesn't the news media ever mention how voter registration prevents all that?

And some of this nonsense comes from voter rolls not being updated, but there is no evidence that any significant voter fraud is happening using these methods.
 
Watching the GOP fracture might be even more satisfying than watching Trump suffer.

But I'm not as afraid of one-party rule as some people. Even if it were all Republicans I think factions would develop that would mimic the two-party system. There was a taste of this when the House tried to pass an immigration bill before the midterms. Of course their version did not contain a path to legalization for illegal immigrants, but there was still a dealbreaker. Farm states adamantly opposed requiring employers to use E-Verify to confirm that a hire was in the US legally. They still wanted their immigrant labor. And Trump didn't get funding for his wall during that period either.

Republicans seem monolithic now due to Trumpism but there's got to be some fallout as the pragmatists break ranks with the true believers. IOW the ones who want to go full coup and the ones who have no interest in that whatsoever and want to put this all behind them.
 
Minoosh said:
Watching the GOP fracture might be even more satisfying than watching Trump suffer.

But I'm not as afraid of one-party rule as some people. Even if it were all Republicans I think factions would develop that would mimic the two-party system. There was a taste of this when the House tried to pass an immigration bill before the midterms. Of course their version did not contain a path to legalization for illegal immigrants, but there was still a dealbreaker. Farm states adamantly opposed requiring employers to use E-Verify to confirm that a hire was in the US legally. They still wanted their immigrant labor. And Trump didn't get funding for his wall during that period either.

Republicans seem monolithic now due to Trumpism but there's got to be some fallout as the pragmatists break ranks with the true believers. IOW the ones who want to go full coup and the ones who have no interest in that whatsoever and want to put this all behind them.
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I suspect what you see on the news reports is the size of each faction's volume of noise, not the headcount. Because it is noise and notoriety that makes the news, not quiet competence.

So it may be that if the GOP does split along those lines, you could throw a blanket over the Trumpists they would be so few. And that would also be a good idea in practical terms.
 
Trumpanzees put their money where their mouths were... and get their teeth kicked in:

The odds-shifting bonanza on election night, with all that money on the line, was not a sign that the oddsmakers knew something the mainstream media did not. Instead, the Trump spike was the peak of a phenomenon that had been unfolding all year. Many Trump supporters were certain he could not lose, and they plowed so much money into betting on him that they distorted markets in his (and ultimately, the sportsbooks’) favor.

“It’s the most irrational market I ever saw,” says Collin Sherwin, a Tampa, Florida–based gambling writer who covers the industry for Vox Media’s DraftKings Nation.
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The sportsbooks won untold millions off a political movement’s refusal to accept reality. It wasn’t the oddsmakers’ plan to win by such large margins, and doing so despite making Trump a relative favorite was largely good fortune.

The 2020 election had many losers: Trump, his supporters, and American democracy chief among them. But almost by accident, the race created huge winners beyond Joe Biden. The biggest, arguably, were based not in Washington but in places like Panama City, and entirely unregulated by the government Biden was elected to lead.
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Norman Alexander said:
I suspect what you see on the news reports is the size of each faction's volume of noise, not the headcount. Because it is noise and notoriety that makes the news, not quiet competence.

So it may be that if the GOP does split along those lines, you could throw a blanket over the Trumpists they would be so few. And that would also be a good idea in practical terms.
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Yeah, they'd divide into factions. One half would merely want to re-enslave black people, while the other would be for simply killing them.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Every time I hear the charges—illegal people voting, voting multiple times, dead people voting, boxes of ballots dumped into the mix and so on—other than saying these are false, why doesn't the news media ever mention how voter registration prevents all that?

And some of this nonsense comes from voter rolls not being updated, but there is no evidence that any significant voter fraud is happening using these methods.
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The Dems and/or media might be out of touch enough to assume people already know this. But they don't. They've probably forgotten exactly how they registered to vote. Some may have been automatically signed up when they got a driver's license. It's not the rule for red states, but per Ballotpedia it would cover a large number of people.

One valid concern is that some states let illegal immigrants get driver's licenses. But those folks would IMO be the last people to commit voter fraud, and those states are probably heavily blue to begin with. I had to present a birth certificate to get a driver's license and I used must have used the license to register to vote. That was a LONG time ago.

But even if the media did do a primer on the subject to refresh our memories - the people who want to believe in fraud would write it off as more media lies. If Fox did a segment on this it might be worthwhile. There are some honest reporters at Fox. They'd be the ideal media outlet for this story.

This angle will probably occur to the media pretty soon.
 
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