Trump's Coup d'état.

[Meadmaker]

How does Trump's rhetoric evolve through this week? Does it hit him when Safe Harbor day has come and gone this Tuesday? Or after December 14 (Next Monday)when each state's electors cast their votes?

Safe Harbor day is just the certification deadline. So far, Trump seems unfazed by anything related to certification. I don't think it will have much of an effect.

The actual casting of ballots by electors is a bit harder to ignore, so I think we will see a shift after the 14th.

I don't know what sort of shift that will be, but given that we are talking about Trump, betting on "more unhinged" seems safer than "less unhinged".

 

[Trebuchet]

How does Trump's rhetoric evolve through this week? Does it hit him when Safe Harbor day has come and gone this Tuesday? Or after December 14 (Next Monday)when each state's electors cast their votes?

Fake Electors! Fake Votes!

The Coup d'état attempt has ugly consequences in Michigan.
Members of the legislature from both parties are getting death threats.

A Black Democratic Rep, Cynthia A. Johnson, has been threatened with ... lynching.

Remember, it's only Antifa and BLM who are violent.

S...betting on "more unhinged" seems safer than "less unhinged".

Absolutely.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Overwhelmingly rejected? He got more votes than any candidate in history aside from Biden. Yes, the population has increased, but that's still significant support.

I have no trouble believing that Trump could win 2024. It all depends on what happens between now and then, obviously, but the Republicans have four years to treat Biden as a usurper and to pitch 2024 as the opportunity to right the wrong of the fraudulent 2020 election. It's possible that saner heads will prevail once Trump is out of office, but so far, the great bulk of the GOP is more than willing to go along (silently or vocally) with Trumpian strategies.

Are you taking into account all the revelations that will occur as soon as Trump is not in office?

I don't believe there are 74 million CTers in Trump's voter base. I think the number is much smaller and they are very vocal. Protests amount to a few hundred people here and there.

I'm sure on a survey, especially initially, people will be expressing doubt about the election. After all, those 74 million were fooled by the con. But now one has to believe half the Republicans, multiple states and the court system are all in on this supposed CT. The less credible it becomes, a lot of the 74 million will peel off.

So in 2024, fewer people will believe Trump's con. That is if he is even going to chance losing again.

 

[acbytesla]

Safe Harbor day is just the certification deadline. So far, Trump seems unfazed by anything related to certification. I don't think it will have much of an effect.

The actual casting of ballots by electors is a bit harder to ignore, so I think we will see a shift after the 14th.

I don't know what sort of shift that will be, but given that we are talking about Trump, betting on "more unhinged" seems safer than "less unhinged".

I beg to differ.

Federal law (3 U.S. Code § 5) frees a state from further challenge if it settles legal disputes and certifies its results at least six days before the Electoral College meeting, which occurs this year on Dec. 14.

“Whatever final decision that state reached by (Dec. 8) — that’s conclusive and final and binding and nobody has any right to second guess it,” explained Adav Noti of Campaign Legal Center, a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization that focuses on voting rights, campaign finance, anti-gerrymandering work and government ethics.
https://www.fox6now.com/news/safe-harbor-deadline-heres-why-dec-8-matters-in-the-2020-election

 

[Ryokan]

This is a big part of why we are where we are. Nixon's pardon should never have happened.

The US has never prosecuted their leaders, civillian or military.

That's something that happens in other Western countries, but never in the US. If a Western European leader breaks the law, they face the consequences. But not in the USA.

And it won't happen this time either. American presidents are, especially, to the Americans, sacred.

 

[Meadmaker]

I beg to differ.

Right. But will that have any effect on Trump? I doubt he will recognize the legitimacy. There's nothing dramatic that happens on that day.

The casting of ballots by the electors is something that might actually catch his attention.

 

[dudalb]

I actually don't care if Donnie goes to jail or not, just so long as the revealations wreck his reputation with all but his most hardcore supporters.

 

[acbytesla]

Right. But will that have any effect on Trump? I doubt he will recognize the legitimacy. There's nothing dramatic that happens on that day.

The casting of ballots by the electors is something that might actually catch his attention.

You are probably right. Still, I would imagine he's going to be aware of this even if he isn't at the moment. Right now, these states where there are lawsuits, they seem to be deliberately scheduling hearings for December 8. Sort of an emphatic way of slamming the door.

Any election lawsuit filed after the 8th is going to be dismissed outright. The only one I think he has any hope in helping to derail things is the appeal to overrule the PA Supreme Court that Alito has scheduled a hearing for on December 8. And the only reason I can see Alito not tossing it out is partisanship.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

I beg to differ.

"Federal law (3 U.S. Code § 5) frees a state from further challenge if it settles legal disputes and certifies its results at least six days before the Electoral College meeting, which occurs this year on Dec. 14.

Thank you. I didn't know that.

 

[Stacyhs]

It's not about stupidity. It's cult member behavior. This is a personality cult.

Oh, I realize it's a cult of personality full well...and that takes stupidity. It takes stupidity to become mesmerized by someone so blatantly disgusting as Trump. It takes stupidity to think a man who brags about physically assaulting women and cheating on his multiple wives and calls women names can have any respect for them. It takes stupidity to think that a man who has no history of actually attending church or doing charitable works can actually be a "Christian" and be sent from God just because he starts claiming to be one when he runs for POTUS. It takes stupidity to think a man who has declared bankruptcy several times and whose businesses are in so much debt that US banks won't even loan him money is such a great businessman that he can run the country. So, yes, it's a cult of personality...but they're still stupid.

 

[Stacyhs]

This is a big part of why we are where we are. Nixon's pardon should never have happened.

I agree. It's the same idea of Too Big to Fail. Presidents are Too Big to Go to Jail. Where will it stop? What does a president have to do, what crime does he have to commit, what line does he have to cross before it's finally too much for him to get away with?

 

[Stacyhs]

Overwhelmingly rejected? He got more votes than any candidate in history aside from Biden. Yes, the population has increased, but that's still significant support.

I have no trouble believing that Trump could win 2024. It all depends on what happens between now and then, obviously, but the Republicans have four years to treat Biden as a usurper and to pitch 2024 as the opportunity to right the wrong of the fraudulent 2020 election. It's possible that saner heads will prevail once Trump is out of office, but so far, the great bulk of the GOP is more than willing to go along (silently or vocally) with Trumpian strategies.

Yes, he was overwhelmingly rejected. The evidence is in your very own sentence: He got more votes than any candidate in history aside from Biden. Biden received over 7 million more votes than Trump. Do you really think those 7 million more votes were people excited about Biden? Hardly. They were people excited about voting out Trump.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Yes, he was overwhelmingly rejected. The evidence is in your very own sentence: He got more votes than any candidate in history aside from Biden. Biden received over 7 million more votes than Trump. Do you really think those 7 million more votes were people excited about Biden? Hardly. They were people excited about voting out Trump.

The fact that millions of people were suppressed/disenfranchised also is overlooked as well. The vast majority of voting age citizens reject Trump and this authoritarian, fascists cult.

 

[angrysoba]

Biden did end up the unlikely hero that delivered the world (well, ok, the US) from the forces of weird, but I think he'll have a lot to answer for if he caves in to ...I don't know, conventional tradition?... and ends up pardoning Trump after all.

Why would Biden pardon Trump, and how is it a tradition?

 

[TellyKNeasuss]

SCOTUS Justice Alito has required PA authorities to submit by Tuesday morning (since Tuesday is "safe harbor" day) their response to the appeal of the PA Supreme Court's refusal to overrule the judgement that the request to invalidate PA's election on the grounds that the law allowing unrestricted mail-in voting violates PA's constitution was submitted too late.

I have an issue with this case beyond that the courts are undoubtedly correct that waiting until learning the results of an election held under a law that was enacted a year before the election to claim that the law was improper is too late. My issue is that there seems to be a tremendous inconsistency in the plaintiffs' claim. AFAICT, the lawsuit is based on claiming that this provision in the PA constitution prohibits the legislature from granting mail-in voting privileges to people for reasons other than those listed in the constitution.

The Legislature shall, by general law, provide a manner
in which, and the time and place at which, qualified electors
who may, on the occurrence of any election, be absent from the
municipality of their residence, because their duties,
occupation or business require them to be elsewhere or who, on
the occurrence of any election, are unable to attend at their
proper polling places because of illness or physical disability
or who will not attend a polling place because of the observance
of a religious holiday or who cannot vote because of election
day duties, in the case of a county employee, may vote, and for
the return and canvass of their votes in the election district
in which they respectively reside.

My question is: If this is true, why doesn't the mention of a "well-regulated militia" in the 2nd amendment to the US constitution prohibit Congress from allowing gun ownership for reasons other than militia duty?

 

[acbytesla]

SCOTUS Justice Alito has required PA authorities to submit by Tuesday morning (since Tuesday is "safe harbor" day) their response to the appeal of the PA Supreme Court's refusal to overrule the judgement that the request to invalidate PA's election on the grounds that the law allowing unrestricted mail-in voting violates PA's constitution was submitted too late.

I have an issue with this case beyond that the courts are undoubtedly correct that waiting until learning the results of an election held under a law that was enacted a year before the election to claim that the law was improper is too late. My issue is that there seems to be a tremendous inconsistency in the plaintiffs' claim. AFAICT, the lawsuit is based on claiming that this provision in the PA constitution prohibits the legislature from granting mail-in voting privileges to people for reasons other than those listed in the constitution.

My question is: If this is true, why doesn't the mention of a "well-regulated militia" in the 2nd amendment to the US constitution prohibit Congress from allowing gun ownership for reasons other than militia duty?

Ask the court that.

 

[Trebuchet]

Right. But will that have any effect on Trump? I doubt he will recognize the legitimacy. There's nothing dramatic that happens on that day.

The casting of ballots by the electors is something that might actually catch his attention.

He'll proclaim them to be fake ballots by fake electors, maybe try to have DOJ arrest them for treason. And I'd guess at least one R delegation will cast opposing ballots. The circus has only just started!

I actually don't care if Donnie goes to jail or not, just so long as the revealations wreck his reputation with all but his most hardcore supporters.

Who amount to about 40% of the US electorate.

The fact that millions of people were suppressed/disenfranchised also is overlooked as well. The vast majority of voting age citizens reject Trump and this authoritarian, fascists cult.

A majority, but not at all vast. The minority, of course, are only half-vast.

Why would Biden pardon Trump, and how is it a tradition?

Ford did it under totally different circumstances. I tend to think he was correct; Nixon was out, Watergate needed to be over. Trump, not quite the same.

SCOTUS Justice Alito....

...is eagerly awaiting, along with at least three other justices, the opportunity to declare Trump President For Life.

 

[turingtest]

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A majority, but not at all vast. The minority, of course, are only half-vast....

I hear what you did there...

 

[Craig4]

He'll proclaim them to be fake ballots by fake electors, maybe try to have DOJ arrest them for treason. And I'd guess at least one R delegation will cast opposing ballots. The circus has only just started!


Who amount to about 40% of the US electorate.


A majority, but not at all vast. The minority, of course, are only half-vast.


Ford did it under totally different circumstances. I tend to think he was correct; Nixon was out, Watergate needed to be over. Trump, not quite the same.


...is eagerly awaiting, along with at least three other justices, the opportunity to declare Trump President For Life.

I expect Roberts is going to exhaust himself trying to keep any of these cases out of the SCOTUS. He knows what a trip across the Rubicon it would be to rule either way on this election. I expect that he wants to make crystal clear that the courts are not the place to come if you don't like how an election turned out.

 

[thaiboxerken]

I expect Roberts is going to exhaust himself trying to keep any of these cases out of the SCOTUS. He knows what a trip across the Rubicon it would be to rule either way on this election. I expect that he wants to make crystal clear that the courts are not the place to come if you don't like how an election turned out.

It's going to be hard for him to keep it from devolving since Trump installed 3 political hacks to augment the 2 that were already there.