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Trump's Coup d'état.

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angrysoba said:
Yeah, there's this idea that there are the smiley nice respectable Republicans (Marco Rubio, Susan Collins, Mitt Romney and frankly John McCain), and then there are the craazy uncle Republicans (Donald Trump, Rudy Guiliani, Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham, and Ted Cruz and Chris Christie). Look at how they all bickered and insulted each other and then came together anyway. The smiley ones just made their silly simpering smiles and said, "Sure, my uncle's totally crazy and I'm not on board, but hey, he's my uncle so whaddayagonnado?"
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Hey Susan Collins has been concerned quite a few times, what more could she have done?
 
angrysoba said:
Yeah, there's this idea that there are the smiley nice respectable Republicans (Marco Rubio, Susan Collins, Mitt Romney and frankly John McCain), and then there are the craazy uncle Republicans (Donald Trump, Rudy Guiliani, Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham, and Ted Cruz and Chris Christie). Look at how they all bickered and insulted each other and then came together anyway. The smiley ones just made their silly simpering smiles and said, "Sure, my uncle's totally crazy and I'm not on board, but hey, he's my uncle so whaddayagonnado?"
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Yeah, but who won when they wanted something?

Certainly not Rubio.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Yeah, but who won when they wanted something?

Certainly not Rubio.
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Republicans understand (right or wrong, better or worse) that being a toady, tiny cog in a big machine, yes man in a party in power is better than being the golden boy in a party without power.

Or do we need to play another rousing game of "Count the people on SCOTUS?"
 
Darat said:
I think many thought they could pretty much control him once he was elected. I doubt many of them realised how unwell he was and how stupid and willfully ignorant he is.
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They've controlled him fine where it mattered most, judicial nominations. And gotten environmental and other regulatory rollbacks they wanted.

angrysoba said:
Yeah, there's this idea that there are the smiley nice respectable Republicans (Marco Rubio, Susan Collins, Mitt Romney and frankly John McCain), and then there are the craazy uncle Republicans (Donald Trump, Rudy Guiliani, Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham, and Ted Cruz and Chris Christie). Look at how they all bickered and insulted each other and then came together anyway. The smiley ones just made their silly simpering smiles and said, "Sure, my uncle's totally crazy and I'm not on board, but hey, he's my uncle so whaddayagonnado?"
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About five years ago, Graham said that nominating Trump would destroy the Republican Party. He may yet be proved right about that.
 
We've been trying to destroy the Republican Party by proven they are hypocrites for a while now. Kind of think if it was going to work it would have already.

The Republican base accepts the "Well as long as we win in the end, don't hate the player, hate the game" mentality.
 
JoeMorgue said:
We've been trying to destroy the Republican Party by proven they are hypocrites for a while now. Kind of think if it was going to work it would have already.

The Republican base accepts the "Well as long as we win in the end, don't hate the player, hate the game" mentality.
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Too many people believe that the Republican Party is the only thing standing in the way of turning the US into an extreme socialist-communist state. They're quite mistaken about that, but that conviction leads them to forgive almost anything.
 
gnome said:
Too many people believe that the Republican Party is the only thing standing in the way of turning the US into an extreme socialist-communist state. They're quite mistaken about that, but that conviction leads them to forgive almost anything.
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The only things I can think of that they won’t forgive are homosexuality, Muslimness, and closing factories that make high-end military hardware.

We’ll soon find out if emoluments ends up on the forgivable list or the unforgivable list.
 
gnome said:
Too many people believe that the Republican Party is the only thing standing in the way of turning the US into an extreme socialist-communist state. They're quite mistaken about that, but that conviction leads them to forgive almost anything.
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It what happens when you mix a two-party system, rampant bothsideism, and cause purity into one big pot and cook it in a post-fact world.

The Right has embraced extreme, even violent and fascist, far-Right rhetoric largely (although obviously not completely) out of the stupid, misguided idea that it has to "protect" some concept of "real America" from going too far to the Left.

The problems with this are obvious, but have all the possible ways of explaining it to people have been hunted down and destroyed in the quest to destroy all ways of actually effectively processing information to get us to the post-fact world that people just need to live in now.

1. As I keep screaming at a lot of people the "Left to Right" political scale isn't... like a thing that really exists. It's not some natural force of the universe like the poles of a magnetic or the charge of a battery terminal. You don't have to, indeed can't, "correct" for an overbalance because, again, IT'S NOT A REAL SCALE.

2. As people who live outside the US can't help but remind us at every single possibility, the US is skewed far enough to the Left that even if point 1 wasn't true America getting "Too Left" isn't a problem we're going to have to worry about for a while.

3. Even if points 1 and 2 weren't true the even bigger problem is that no concept is neutral anymore. As soon as any idea gets into the public discourse it is either claimed by or assigned to one of the two "sides" and they have to defend it and answer for it.

And as much as the fanboys, and again I use that term very deliberately, for the two political dynasties, another term I use deliberately, in America like to pretend otherwise the Left/Right divide in America is massively arbitrary at times, with which side has to adopt which idea based more on tone and personality than actual political thought processes.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Fall in line with who, though? The problem with a cult of personality is that it's the personality that's important, not the rest of the cult.

I mean, I'm not claiming it will happen, but it's definitely the noises that are being made in some of the more extreme ends of the fandom.
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Trump himself attacks Republicans that don't support him so maybe we shouldn't be surprised.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Is he winning yet? :rolleyes:
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I.... what.... *shakes my head*

HE ALREADY WON!

He was.... the PRESIDENT. That's pretty big on the "He Won" scale.

His brand of insanity is a LOT more acceptable and mainstream because of the last four years

What are you, Thermal, and Emily Cat trying to prove here?

Is what he's done NOT ******* ENOUGH?

And again... he's still there. He's still not admitting defeat. His cult of personality followers are still there and will consider him their rightful ruler when all of this is said and done. At best he's only going to lose on what he sees as a technicality.

Yes, there's a breaking point to all of this but what's the superior attitude where you're acting like we've determined what it is already?

Someone, please explain to me "Oh the fascist psychopath only got one term in the highest office in the land and was only able to nominate 3 Supreme Court justices" attitude we're getting here?
 
JoeMorgue said:
I.... what.... *shakes my head*

HE ALREADY WON!

He was.... the PRESIDENT. That's pretty big on the "He Won" scale.

His brand of insanity is a LOT more acceptable and mainstream because of the last four years

What are you, Thermal, and Emily Cat trying to prove here?

Is what he's done NOT ******* ENOUGH?

And again... he's still there. He's still not admitting defeat. His cult of personality followers are still there and will consider him their rightful ruler when all of this is said and done. At best he's only going to lose on what he sees as a technicality.

Yes, there's a breaking point to all of this but what's the superior attitude where you're acting like we've determined what it is already?

Someone, please explain to me "Oh the fascist psychopath only got one term in the highest office in the land and was only able to nominate 3 Supreme Court justices" attitude we're getting here?
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I think the GOP probably see no downsides to this. In a way, they would be fine with Trump just shuffling off and making it easier on them not having to rationalize away his nonsense day after day, but then they watch him trying to push his bulldozer out of a ditch, a ridiculous thing to try and think, hey, we may as well just see if he can do it, and put their shoulders to the wheel anyway. The worst that can happen is that it stays in the ditch but there are apparently ZERO negative consequences to violating all accepted norms in an election for them so why not keep violating them. If nothing else it only helps to highlight the stress points that they will be able to exploit later when a more competent demagogue emerges. Maybe someone with an eyepatch.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I.... what.... *shakes my head*

HE ALREADY WON!

He was.... the PRESIDENT. That's pretty big on the "He Won" scale.

His brand of insanity is a LOT more acceptable and mainstream because of the last four years

What are you, Thermal, and Emily Cat trying to prove here?

Is what he's done NOT ******* ENOUGH?

And again... he's still there. He's still not admitting defeat. His cult of personality followers are still there and will consider him their rightful ruler when all of this is said and done. At best he's only going to lose on what he sees as a technicality.

Yes, there's a breaking point to all of this but what's the superior attitude where you're acting like we've determined what it is already?

Someone, please explain to me "Oh the fascist psychopath only got one term in the highest office in the land and was only able to nominate 3 Supreme Court justices" attitude we're getting here?
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That's all well and 'bad' but it's a moved goalpost if it's answering my post.
 
I love how all three of "Bothsiders" have learned the name of one and exactly one Logical Fallacy that they obviously don't understand but think just saying the name of it means they win.
 
trustbutverify said:
We're referring to the soft (so far) coup Trump is attempting, correct? Where did JM claim Trump was winning that?
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I think he may have been talking about the fact that Trump has just been pulling a con on everyone and he actually won (because it doesn't get much more winning than becoming president —whether or not you were even trying).

Edited to add: But I shouldn't speak for others so just ignore me.
 
Trebuchet said:
They've controlled him fine where it mattered most, judicial nominations. And gotten environmental and other regulatory rollbacks they wanted.
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Still a couple of months left. Watch, he'll command the Senate to increase the size of the Supreme Court and then nominate himself for the vacancy.

Except I can't quite see that unless he can be Chief Justice and I don't see how that works.

ETA: I get it. Create a Hydrosonic Supreme Court with just him. Like the SJC but with hookers.

About five years ago, Graham said that nominating Trump would destroy the Republican Party. He may yet be proved right about that.
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Destroyed him, didn't it? Yeah, I know, not as a politician, but as a man.
 
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