Trump's Coup d'état.

[The Great Zaganza]

Hmm.

Too Much Democracy Is Bad for Democracy
America’s Problem Isn’t Too Little Democracy. It’s Too Much.
Too Much Democracy?
America Is Living James Madison’s Nightmare
Democracies end when they are too democratic.

you think you are making an argument, but you are not.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Man the invisible dragon in my garage is illegally voting in one thread and there's a teapot orbiting Saturn in this one.

Man politics has literally turned into a Woo Topic hasn't it?

 

[Darat]

Hmm.

Too Much Democracy Is Bad for Democracy
America’s Problem Isn’t Too Little Democracy. It’s Too Much.
Too Much Democracy?
America Is Living James Madison’s Nightmare
Democracies end when they are too democratic.

You’ve not actually read those sites have you? I putting this forward as one of the links is a review of a book.

 

[timhau]

Again I'm not getting what crow we're supposed to be eating because Trump's coup might not succeed.

The damage done to the trust in the US Democratic Process and the seeds planted for a future person to stage a more successful takeover of the US Government by just putting yes men in a few key positions is more than enough damage.

The whole "Hardy har lookit you being all dramatic he only got 96% of the way to a coup before getting bored and giving up" thing baffles me.

Yeah, pretty much this. Look at how far Trump and his posse have gotten without just about anyone of note saying anything. Then look at the *********** fifth-rate county fair circus that has gotten him to this point. Where would he be if he wasn't such a jackass and hadn't thrown anyone with any sort of strategic planning ability out of the klown kar?

 

[Emily's Cat]

Highlighted.

What you need is leaders, that see the country, the entire country, as something bigger than themselves and that they are in service of it. To all of it and all the citizens in it.
And not just giving lipservice to this ideal, but really believing it.

That sure would be refreshing.

 

[Thermal]

Trump is crying himself into hyperventilation and everyone is scrambling to give him more oxygen. Its a great time to point and laugh at the pitiful absurdity of this, guys. Our takeaway here should be seeing how weak he really is, not how potentially powerful. His LARPer Army will run home to mommy if faced with the real Army.

 

[The Atheist]

I guess the school I went to taught a different concept of a coup. It had to have...you know...actual force behind it.

Interesting point - the term "Bloodless Coup" seems to have fallen out of use since the 1980s, when it was fairly common.

Instead, we have "Velvet Revolutions".

Pity orange has already been used.

"Trump Revolution" will have to do the trick, which is fairly appropriate since everything he's ever tried has ended up a spectacular fail.

And when it fails, I am going to add it to this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coups_and_coup_attempts

 

[JoeMorgue]

Trump is crying himself into hyperventilation and everyone is scrambling to give him more oxygen. Its a great time to point and laugh at the pitiful absurdity of this, guys. Our takeaway here should be seeing how weak he really is, not how potentially powerful. His LARPer Army will run home to mommy if faced with the real Army.

99.99% of them will.

But these are already people who shot up a pizza parlor to save the child sex slaves in the basement it didn't even have and Pizzagate was nowhere near as mainstream as the election fraud / deep state conspiracy has gotten.

Spare me the "They are nothing to worry about" routine.

 

[Thermal]

Interesting point - the term "Bloodless Coup" seems to have fallen out of use since the 1980s, when it was fairly common.

Instead, we have "Velvet Revolutions".

Pity orange has already been used.

"Trump Revolution" will have to do the trick, which is fairly appropriate since everything he's ever tried has ended up a spectacular fail.

And when it fails, I am going to add it to this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coups_and_coup_attempts

The thing is, he is asking to remain in power, not seizing it, bloody or velvety. That's what makes it a cuck d'etat. The bitch has no bite.

 

[cosmicaug]

So you're equating the following two propositions:
(1) There is a teapot in orbit around Mercury, despite the fact that teapots are human manufactured objects, so an immense amount of effort would be required to place one in such a location, effort that could not reasonably have been hidden from the human race.
(2) The number of members of the Republican Party prepared to support a Trump coup could become large enough for such a coup to succeed, when we know that there are pro-Trump organisations prepared to defy the law of the land (eg. Proud Boys, Oath Keepers and other far-right paramilitary groups) and that there are senior members of the party (Mitchell and Graham spring to mind) who have expressed support for Trump's current attempts to overturn the results of the election.

I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing any sense in which that wildly implausible thing and that disturbingly plausible thing are 'exactly the same thing.'

Dave

I didn't think that the reasons why that proposition was absurd needed explaining but, apparently, I was wrong.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Yup.

Quote from the article:

To merely launch a coup, you only need a party leader who refuses to abide by an election and recruits allies to cancel its result.

The Left’s Miraculous Change of Heart on Accepting Election Results
Democrats were completely against questioning results when they assumed Clinton would win

But after the election—when Clinton lost—the media and Democrats completely changed their tune. Clinton had derided Trump for suggesting he wouldn’t concede, yet we later learned that Clinton herself didn’t want to concede, but was urged to do so by President Barack Obama.

On the night of the election, after Trump passed 270 electoral votes and secured the presidency, Clinton refused to address her supporters at her “victory” party. Her supporters, distraught and crying after waiting at the venue for hours, were instead subjected to Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta. Podesta said there would be no comment until all the votes were counted.

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After the dust had settled on election night, many on the Left began arguing that Clinton had truly won the election because she won the popular vote, and suggested the Electoral College be eliminated.

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This hasn’t stopped Democrats from attempting to overturn the election through recounts. Just as Al Gore wanted certain counties in Florida recounted in 2000 because he thought he should have won them, Democrats—led by Green Party candidate Jill Stein—now want three states that usually vote for Democrats but voted for Trump in 2016 to be recounted.

Stein is attempting to raise millions to pay for recounts in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, despite there being no evidence of any election “rigging.”

Clinton has now joined in this effort.

How the Electoral College Could -- But Won't -- Stop Trump from Becoming President (with Lesson Plan)

As such, opponents are waging a last-ditch effort to block Trump's election, imploring electors to vote their conscience and choose someone -- anyone -- other than him. For weeks, electors have been besieged by emails, phone calls and even a celebrity video plea.

 

[JoeMorgue]

This is the dumbest hairsplit we've had in awhile. And since every other word on this board is a stupid, pointless hairsplits that's an achievement of note.

"Trump's not couing (that needs to be a verb), he's just only accepting the results if he wins" isn't even a distinction without difference. It's no distinction without difference.

 

[Thermal]

99.99% of them will.

But these are already people who shot up a pizza parlor to save the child sex slaves in the basement it didn't even have and Pizzagate was nowhere near as mainstream as the election fraud / deep state conspiracy has gotten.

Spare me the "They are nothing to worry about" routine.

Ya, we will always have the occasional right wing nut job, usually with a gun as nutjobs are wont to have. They have seen their numbers now and aren't whispering in the shadows anymore. That is Trump's primary legacy: the deplorable know they are Legion.

But there are not enough to back a coup, and the few that would will piss their pants in cold fear when they are not outgunning the opposition. The sky is not falling. Thermal promises.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Again I'm done with being talked down to because people are more concerned with how "dramatic" I'm being verse how evil they are being.

If you're looking at the world as a whole and go "Yeah know what the problem is? People saying coup instead 'undefined possible takeover of the government via illegal means that doesn't technically count as a coup because it didn't come from the Coup Region in Southern France" you're part of the problem.

 

[cosmicaug]

The Left’s Miraculous Change of Heart on Accepting Election Results
Democrats were completely against questioning results when they assumed Clinton would win

Ah, so it's dumb bothsideism as well. I thought it was a different kind of stupid altogether. Turns out it was both.

 

[Dave Rogers]

"Trump's not couing (that needs to be a verb), he's just only accepting the results if he wins" isn't even a distinction without difference. It's no distinction without difference.

Couping?

Anyway, it's called a self-coup; a process in which the duly elected leader of a country dismantles the machinery of democracy in order to remain in power. Trump is trying very openly to have the result of the popular vote overturned, first by the courts - which has some veneer of legitimacy - and second by the intervention of the elected officials responsible for overseeing the democratic process, which has none. Calling it anything other than an attempted self-coup is, at best, difficult to justify, even though it looks like he'll fail.

Dave

 

[Emily's Cat]

The basic idea is to vigorously push back whenever someone tries to steal the election, even if they are trying to jam up just one county.

Hillary Clinton’s Team to Join Wisconsin Recount Pushed by Jill Stein

Nearly three weeks after Election Day, Hillary Clinton’s campaign said on Saturday that it would participate in a recount process in Wisconsin incited by a third-party candidate and would join any potential recounts in two other closely contested states, Pennsylvania and Michigan.

The Clinton campaign held out little hope of success in any of the three states, and said it had seen no “actionable evidence” of vote hacking that might taint the results or otherwise provide new grounds for challenging Donald J. Trump’s victory. But it suggested it was going along with the recount effort to assure supporters that it was doing everything possible to verify that hacking by Russia or other irregularities had not affected the results.

In a post on Medium, Marc Elias, the Clinton team’s general counsel, said the campaign would take part in the Wisconsin recount being set off by Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate, and would also participate if Ms. Stein made good on her plans to seek recounts in Michigan and Pennsylvania. Mrs. Clinton lost those three states by a total of little more than 100,000 votes, sealing her Electoral College defeat by Mr. Trump.

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Mrs. Clinton conceded the race to Mr. Trump early on Nov. 9, when it became clear that he would have a large margin of victory in the Electoral College. But as her lead in the popular vote has grown — it now exceeds two million votes — her base has increasingly pressured her to challenge the results.

That has been fueled in part by how aggressively the Clinton campaign spread the word of Russian involvement in the theft of emails from the Democratic National Committee and from the personal account of John D. Podesta, the campaign’s chairman.

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Mr. Elias’s post offered a revealing look at how much time and energy the campaign had spent in the past two weeks looking for evidence of Russian hacking or other irregularities, and how it had tried to keep those efforts secret.

“Since the day after the election, we have had lawyers and data scientists and analysts combing over the results to spot anomalies that would suggest a hacked result,” Mr. Elias wrote.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Hillary Clinton’s Team to Join Wisconsin Recount Pushed by Jill Stein

And you wonder why you get accused of "Whataboutism" all the time.

Hillary conceded on election night (well after midnight so the next day but whatever...) Trump still hasn't weeks later and has openly admitted that he has no intentions to regardless of the facts.

Again do you know what an argument is? Because this isn't one.

 

[Thermal]

Couping?

Anyway, it's called a self-coup; a process in which the duly elected leader of a country dismantles the machinery of democracy in order to remain in power. Trump is trying very openly to have the result of the popular vote overturned, first by the courts - which has some veneer of legitimacy - and second by the intervention of the elected officials responsible for overseeing the democratic process, which has none. Calling it anything other than an attempted self-coup is, at best, difficult to justify, even though it looks like he'll fail.

Dave

He and his cronies can declare whatever they want. The most they have gotten are rejected filings and officials going to the news with "you won't believe what that doofus Graham wants".

It's a coup attempt if you like. Not a coup d'etat, though. Maybe a coup d'imagination. I still prefer cuck d'etat tho.

 

[Cain]

Trump is crying himself into hyperventilation and everyone is scrambling to give him more oxygen. Its a great time to point and laugh at the pitiful absurdity of this, guys. Our takeaway here should be seeing how weak he really is, not how potentially powerful. His LARPer Army will run home to mommy if faced with the real Army.

He's hundreds of millions of dollars in debt and facing potential prosecution for bank and tax fraud. He's also a narcissist desperate for attention. He NEEDS the presidency. Where's the Left's empathy now?