Trump's Coup d'état.

[AnonyMoose]

Sure, a key first step would be controlling the military. Of course, there are many other steps he must take and many people have to cooperate with him to do so, none of which is very clear right now. He certainly has some full support, and some carefully worded support from a lot of people. At the same time, does anyone not see a world where Trump starts to demand an arrest warrant for Joe Biden and some of the GOP goes along with it?

No need to control the military. No need to arrest Biden. No need for any of that.

You guys are making the mistake of using prior history of banana republic examples of what a a coup d'etat looks like. But that doesn't have to be the case here. All the GOP has to do is 'prove' that Trump was the true winner of the election and not Biden. Cast a wide swath of doubt about the election results, and they've got the ball rolling.

The more important question is how they go about establishing their 'evidence' of a fraudulent election giving the win to Biden.

A coup d'etat is nothing more than an illegal stealing away of an existing legitimate government. Nothing more, nothing less. How one goes about doing that is neither here nor there.

 

[d4m10n]

For the fear mongerers that keep suggesting state legislators are possibly going to overturn their own state's vote and send in either faithless electors, or simply call the state for Trumpy...

Fearmongers such as the Jones Day lawyer on Team Trump whom Axios has on background:
https://www.axios.com/trump-electoral-college-biden-68d94e27-ace7-4da8-9e22-af7a62fe5149.html

 

[cosmicaug]

Somebody on FacePie opines that Donnie is bringing in Rent-a-Lackeys to destroy files. That sounds more likely than anything as manly as a coup.

That seems to be Asha Rangappa's take on it.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Fearmongers such as the Jones Day lawyer whom Axios has on background:
https://www.axios.com/trump-electoral-college-biden-68d94e27-ace7-4da8-9e22-af7a62fe5149.html

I'm not suggesting for a minute anyone in this thread made this stuff up. Absolutely the media has been hyping these scenarios in multiple publications. All of them explain in tedious hypothetical detail how it is possible. And here's another one that names no states or anyone actually plotting to carry it out.

 

[d4m10n]

I'm not suggesting for a minute anyone in this thread made this stuff up. Absolutely the media has been hyping these scenarios in multiple publications. All of them explain in tedious hypothetical detail how it is possible. And here's another one that names no states or anyone actually plotting to carry it out.

Pretty sure Axios said precisely who is plotting.

Trump and his team could try to block secretaries of state in contested states from certifying results. That could allow legislatures in those states to try to appoint new electors who favor Trump over Biden.

Also, it's not hypothetical. They are quoting someone from inside the team itself.

 

[dirtywick]

No need to control the military. No need to arrest Biden. No need for any of that.

You guys are making the mistake of using prior history of banana republic examples of what a a coup d'etat looks like. But that doesn't have to be the case here. All the GOP has to do is 'prove' that Trump was the true winner of the election and not Biden. Cast a wide swath of doubt about the election results, and they've got the ball rolling.

The more important question is how they go about establishing their 'evidence' of a fraudulent election giving the win to Biden.

A coup d'etat is nothing more than an illegal stealing away of an existing legitimate government. Nothing more, nothing less. How one goes about doing that is neither here nor there.

Well he's already ******* that up pretty bad

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I think Trump is convinced that the Military will overthrow him, and his loyalists will prevent that/ give him time to go into exile.

Sounds like something he would worry about.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Pretty sure Axios said precisely who is plotting.

Also, it's not hypothetical. They are quoting someone from inside the team itself.

Which states? Where is the evidence it is more than hypothetical pondering?

I get it there is a path for Trump to do this. That doesn't take it past hypothetical.

 

[PhantomWolf]

When facism comes to America it will be holding a Bible and humping a flag. Or however the saying goes.

And the 2nd Amendment "I need to have guns to fight the tyrannical Government" nuts will be standing beside it cheering it on.

 

[Vixen]

Did they in Germany?

Yes, certainly. Eight million Germans were signed up members of the NSDAP multiply that by three members per household and you can see how H built his base.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Yes, certainly. Eight million Germans were signed up members of the NSDAP multiply that by three members per household and you can see how H built his base.

Fortunately, Trump's base is shrinking, not growing.

 

[The Atheist]

Fortunately, Trump's base is shrinking, not growing.

How do you calculate that?

By my reckoning, he got several million more votes than in 2016, which would tend to indicate more people like him now than 4 years ago.

I'd call that growing rather than shrinking.

 

[angrysoba]

Fortunately, Trump's base is shrinking, not growing.

Hmmm...I wish that were true.

2016 | 2020
62,984,828 | 72,349,962 (and counting...)

 

[Ladewig]

I think Trump is convinced that the Military will overthrow him, and his loyalists will prevent that/ give him time to go into exile.

Sounds like something he would worry about.

I was going to point out that his helicopter and airplane are piloted by the military. So, they wouldn’t fly him anywhere.

But then I realized that the Saudis or Russians could have a medium sized jet fueled and ready to take off. His limo driver is not military, so he’s got that option. And all he really has to do is get to the foreign embassy. He can then be loaded into a car with diplomatic plates and driven anywhere. Having the ambassador himself riding shotgun would ensure no interference from any US government or military personnel.

But this is all supposition based on other suppositions.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

How do you calculate that?

By my reckoning, he got several million more votes than in 2016, which would tend to indicate more people like him now than 4 years ago.

I'd call that growing rather than shrinking.

It was a Reuter's poll: 40% of Republicans and 70+% of everyone in the US thought it was over, he should step down.

The links are from multiple sources.

It doesn't matter how many votes he got. You are drawing an unsupported conclusion that voting for Trump means one is a Trump sycophant. They are not.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Hmmm...I wish that were true.

2016 | 2020
62,984,828 | 72,349,962 (and counting...)

You're doing the same thing as TA, assuming voters for Trump equate to being in the cult. They're not.

 

[The Atheist]

It was a Reuter's poll: 40% of Republicans and 70+% of everyone in the US thought it was over, he should step down.

And polls have been proven accurate time after time...

It doesn't matter how many votes he got. You are drawing an unsupported conclusion that voting for Trump means one is a Trump sycophant. They are not.

Ah, gotcha.

When you quote numbers, they mean what you want them to mean.

Sounds legit.

(Sychophants have nothing to do with it - the question is supporters, and voters clearly support him. Do you even know what sychophant means? It seems not, because you brought the term in, and it's simply straw.)

 

[The Don]

You're doing the same thing as TA, assuming voters for Trump equate to being in the cult. They're not.

At this point, I'm not sure whether there's a significant difference between Trump voters and cult members.

 

[The Don]

It was a Reuter's poll: 40% of Republicans and 70+% of everyone in the US thought it was over, he should step down.

The links are from multiple sources.

It doesn't matter how many votes he got. You are drawing an unsupported conclusion that voting for Trump means one is a Trump sycophant. They are not.

Watch that number shrink and approach zero over the coming days and weeks.

 

[Darat]

Sure, a key first step would be controlling the military. Of course, there are many other steps he must take and many people have to cooperate with him to do so, none of which is very clear right now. He certainly has some full support, and some carefully worded support from a lot of people. At the same time, does anyone not see a world where Trump starts to demand an arrest warrant for Joe Biden and some of the GOP goes along with it?

Let me be clear, I don't think any coup is being planned or will happen, this will s merely a FYI post.

Many coups have happened without the military being part of it, what often happens is the military is "confined to barracks" whilst the political coup happens, that avoids the issue caused by telling citizens to fire on fellow citizens.