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Trump's Coup d'état.

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angrysoba said:
In that case, heads should roll in the police department.

Nobody in charge of law enforcement has any right to say they didn't see this coming.

In fact, they should be investigated as complicit.
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One imagines those in charge would have reason to worry about being held to account. What were they thinking? Imagine if the maniac in chief they appear to be indulging was about to be replaced by someone who doesn't think letting fascists run amok in government buildings is such a fun idea.

As an outside observer I feel like I need to express sympathy and say how sad I am that in front of the world's media America has had this, to be frank, national humiliation dumped on it as a final tantrum by Trump.
 
thaiboxerken said:
A Coup d'etat requires the military to join in. A coup does not.
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A military coup requires the military. A coup d 'etat is an unlawful seizure of government. Certainly, the military will have to recognize the new government. But the military is not required for the seizure itself.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
:rolleyes:

They broke a few windows, yelled a lot, and one person was shot and seriously injured died (by a cop that felt threatened).
Not so funny now.
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A violent mob of Trump supporters stormed and occupied the seat of the U.S. government, driving out government officials and disrupting official government business in the process.

How is that not a coup?

They broke a few windows and yelled a lot?

That’s your takeaway?
 
acbytesla said:
No it does not. A military coup requires the military. A coup d 'etat is an unlawful seizure of government. Certainly, the military will have to recognize the new government. But the military is not required for the seizure itself.
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I stand corrected. Either way, SG's dismissal of this as a coup attempt because the military isn't supporting it doesn't fly.
 
ChristianProgressive said:
Yes. Absolutely.
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Just curious if you were around during the Vietnam protests? A couple buildings were blown up by the Weather Underground including one that killed a student who they didn't know was there.

The National Guard overreacted and killed 4 students at Kent State and 2 more were killed at Jackson State in Mississippi.

And there have been other incidents around the same time. We barely got the US out of the Vietnam War and it took a number of years. There was nothing close to a successful insurrection.

How does this pitiful little protest (sad as it is that someone died) make people worry there will be a coup?
 
Jack by the hedge said:
As an outside observer I feel like I need to express sympathy and say how sad I am that in front of the world's media America has had this, to be frank, national humiliation dumped on it as a final tantrum by Trump.
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We should be so lucky.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Just curious if you were around during the Vietnam protests? A couple buildings were blown up by the Weather Underground including one that killed a student who they didn't know was there.

The National Guard overreacted and killed 4 students at Kent State and 2 more were killed at Jackson State in Mississippi.

And there have been other incidents around the same time. We barely got the US out of the Vietnam War and it took a number of years. There was nothing close to a successful insurrection.

How does this pitiful little protest (sad as it is that someone died) make people worry there will be a coup?
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Different times, different context, different protests, different cause, different goals.
Blind, blind, blind.
 
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thaiboxerken said:
I stand corrected. Either way, SG's dismissal of this as a coup attempt because the military isn't supporting it doesn't fly.
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Maybe not in your opinion.

Trump's in a category by himself. He's not competent to carry out a real coup. This vociferous crowd of rowdy CT believers wasn't an insurrection.
 
johnny karate said:
A violent mob of Trump supporters stormed and occupied the seat of the U.S. government, driving out government officials and disrupting official government business in the process.

How is that not a coup?
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Insurrection? Rebellion? Revolt? Insurgency?

There's bound to be a word that fits even if "coup" is disputed on a technicality.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Maybe not in your opinion.

Trump's in a category by himself. He's not competent to carry out a real coup. This vociferous crowd of rowdy CT believers wasn't an insurrection.
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If Trump attacked me in the street, it would still be an attack even though there is zero chance he would be successful.
 
johnny karate said:
A violent mob of Trump supporters stormed and occupied the seat of the U.S. government, driving out government officials and disrupting official government business in the process.

How is that not a coup?

They broke a few windows and yelled a lot?

That’s your takeaway?
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Because that's not what a coup is.
 
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