Merged Trump Pardons Arpaio

The Big Dog said:
Oh noes, Trump pardoned an 85 year old man.

The fainting couch is soaked with melting snowflakes.
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If Arapiao had been sentenced, and then Trump has just commuted his sentence (as opposed to pardon), there would not be this fuss.
The problem with the pardon is that it says that Arapaio did nothing wrong.
Do you approve of what Joe Arpapio did?
Or maybe you think those damn Spics got what was coming to them.....
 
Let me clarify: I do NOT advocate violence except as a last resort. I really hope Trump can be stopped by other means. But, sadly, I am afraid it might come down to a last resort.
The GOP is playing with fire,and hope that somehow they can control the fire to get their damn tax cuts through, I am really afraid they have miscalculated.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Can conservatives see anything that harms conservatives? Not by the evidence in these sub-forums.

Why, here's a thinking conservative and former Republican blogger posting just before you. Surely he'll speak up about the Klepto in Chief.



Ohhhhhh! I guess not. This is their typical reaction. "Let's deflect!"
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And immediately after your post they posted to deflect and hand wave yet again. And shortly after another usual suspect posted a deflection and an ad hom.

So transparent
 
dudalb said:
If Arapiao had been sentenced, and then Trump has just commuted his sentence (as opposed to pardon), there would not be this fuss.
The problem with the pardon is that it says that Arapaio did nothing wrong.
Do you approve of what Joe Arpapio did?
Or maybe you think those damn Spics got what was coming to them.....
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Those damn what?

:eye-poppi
 
Judas (in the bibilical story) sold out Jesus for 30 pieces of silver.
Benedict Arnold sold out his country for a few thousand pounds and a commission in the British Army.
Many in the GOP are willing to sell out the basic principals of their country for a damn tax cut.
 
Brainster said:
The guy's 85 years old. I've been sick of his shenanigans for years, but there's no real purpose in putting him in prison.
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I actually agree, but the problem with the Pardon is it gives a seal of approval to what Apraio did.
And the chances of him serving a day in prison was small. The courts almost certainly would have given him a suspeneded sentence, or, of worst came to worst,Trump could have communted his sentence (NOT the same as a pardon).
But coming even before the sentence ,Trump is basically throwing out the rule of law and giving as green light for Cops to treat minorities like crap.
 
The Big Dog said:
Oh noes, Trump pardoned an 85 year old man.

The fainting couch is soaked with melting snowflakes.
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An 85 year-old man who as an elected official has repeatedly violated the Constitutional and human rights of large numbers of people, both American citizens and otherwise. Who, as an elected official, is responsible for conditions in his jails that have resulted in death of innocent human beings. Who, as an elected official, faked an assassination attempt against him to discredit his political opposition.

That is what you are defending a pardon for...
 
Too bad Trump pardoned him, he should have been allowed a jury trial, instead of a bench trial.

Viva la constitution!
 
dudalb said:
Let me clarify: I do NOT advocate violence except as a last resort.
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Oh, that's a relief. Here I thought maybe this was a call for violence:

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Doubtless you did not mean he must be assassinated like Malcolm X was. Maybe you are suggesting that he should start wearing those X hats that were all the rage about 20 years ago?
 
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dudalb said:
If Arapiao had been sentenced, and then Trump has just commuted his sentence (as opposed to pardon), there would not be this fuss.
The problem with the pardon is that it says that Arapaio did nothing wrong.
Do you approve of what Joe Arpapio did?
Or maybe you think those damn Spics got what was coming to them.....
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Does the POTUS have the authority to commute sentences? I know they can pardon (see Ford and Nixon), but commute sentences?
 
If they meant to emulate Malcom X's murderer, then surely they would have mentioned the murderer's name? Malcolm X was an activist.
 
KDLarsen said:
Wasn't Scooter Libby's sentence commuted?
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Yes, and the President absolutely has the power to commute sentences. It's part and parcel of the power to pardon.

From article 2, section 2 of the US Constitution:
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
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"Reprieves" is the operative word in this specific instance.
 
Yeah, he's 85. I'm glad Republicans are able to show some mercy. It's not like we'd ever need to make example out of a lawless lawman. Remember when Clinton pardoned Marc Rich, and then Democrat apologists said that he hadn't been in the country in almost twenty years? I don't. Marc Rich STILL hasn't returned as per the condition of his pardon, so I suppose it has completely faded from public consciousness as an example of corruption.

Anyway, this Trump pardon feels more like a warm up.
 
The Big Dog said:
Too bad Trump pardoned him, he should have been allowed a jury trial, instead of a bench trial.

Viva la constitution!
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You do understand that there is no such thing as a Jury Trial for Contempt of Court cases, right?
 
dudalb said:
Let me clarify: I do NOT advocate violence except as a last resort. I really hope Trump can be stopped by other means. But, sadly, I am afraid it might come down to a last resort.
The GOP is playing with fire,and hope that somehow they can control the fire to get their damn tax cuts through, I am really afraid they have miscalculated.
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Pardoning arpaio was wrong. But not as wrong as suggesting the president should, if necessary, be assassinated to prevent it.
 
JPK said:
Good morning. From everything I have read, accepting a presidential pardon, is an admission of guilt. Yet, it doesn't seem that the Sheriff feels he has admitted guilt reading his rather fired comments against the judicial system. He lost both civil and criminal cases. I've also read that by accepting the pardon, he was waived his right to plead the 5th should he be called to testify. I suspect this will turn into a bit of a mess.
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Interesting, you can reject a pardon. The case revolved around Wilson pardoning a guy to force a reporter to testify on who his sources were.


And the question of whether accepting a pardon admits guilt is still up in the air, as you can be pardoned for things you aren't even being indicted for, much less convicted.
 
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