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Trump isn't the only Republican crook....

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I did't know this. But (from a 1991 account of the Reagan years):
By the end of his term, 138 Reagan administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations. In terms of numbers of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever.

Reagan’s customary response to instances of wrongdoing by aides was to criticize those who brought the charges, or to blame the media that reported them.
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http://www.salon.com/2017/02/08/tru...-a-short-history-of-republican-corruption-tk/
http://www.amazon.com/Sleepwalking-Through-History-America-Reagan/dp/0393324346

Maybe Trump will break Ronnie's record.
http://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/03/us/politics/donald-trump-business.html?_r=1
 
I'm don't know why they'd count the number of official investigations that didn't result in indictments, convictions or some other evidence that the investigation uncovered actual wrongdoing. Maybe other presidents would have passed Reagan if they only counted indictments and convictions and then they wouldn't get the desired result from the article.
 
Bob Klase said:
I'm don't know why they'd count the number of official investigations that didn't result in indictments, convictions or some other evidence that the investigation uncovered actual wrongdoing. Maybe other presidents would have passed Reagan if they only counted indictments and convictions and then they wouldn't get the desired result from the article.
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When you look at the wiki page on the Reagan administration scandals, you'll see why convictions alone wouldn't cut it. Most famously, of course, with "Saint" Ronnie himself. Is there anyone with half a brain who really buys that Ollie North had concocted the Iran-Contra scheme without knowledge of the White House?

I doubt that the Trump administration will trump this. For starters, I think it'll last only four years. Secondly, it takes a somewhat independent FBI and prosecution to even look into wrongdoing. Do you think that Trump and Sessions will allow that?
 
ddt said:
When you look at the wiki page on the Reagan administration scandals, you'll see why convictions alone wouldn't cut it. Most famously, of course, with "Saint" Ronnie himself. Is there anyone with half a brain who really buys that Ollie North had concocted the Iran-Contra scheme without knowledge of the White House?

I doubt that the Trump administration will trump this. For starters, I think it'll last only four years. Secondly, it takes a somewhat independent FBI and prosecution to even look into wrongdoing. Do you think that Trump and Sessions will allow that?
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Obama and Holder sure didn't.
 
Thanks for the reminder that Obama at his worst is still better than Kukol'nyy at his best.
 
sunmaster14 said:
Obama and Holder sure didn't.
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Okay, I'll bite. Considering that Obama and Holder didn't interfere with an FBI investigation of the leading Democratic presidential candidate, what administration wrongdoing do you think they didn't "look into?"
 
ddt said:
When you look at the wiki page on the Reagan administration scandals, you'll see why convictions alone wouldn't cut it. Most famously, of course, with "Saint" Ronnie himself. Is there anyone with half a brain who really buys that Ollie North had concocted the Iran-Contra scheme without knowledge of the White House?
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And if you want to count official investigations as proof of wrongdoing then Bill and Hillary start to look pretty bad too.
 
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Bob Klase said:
And if you want to count official investigations as proof of wrongdoing then Bill and Hillary start to look pretty bad too.
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I dont think anybody pretended they were saint. But did they have thst many folk in their administration during clinton presidency investigated ? Remember that is the number we are talking about. Not before not after, but diring clinton presidency.
 
Bob001 said:
Okay, I'll bite. Considering that Obama and Holder didn't interfere with an FBI investigation of the leading Democratic presidential candidate, what administration wrongdoing do you think they didn't "look into?"
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Well Holder wasn't around for the Hillary email stuff, but of course his successor interfered. There was no grand jury, no subpoenas, no real investigation. And Attorney General Lynch met with the target's spouse in private.

Aside from that mess, there was a total failure to investigate the Operation Fast and Furious debacle, including the lying to Congress by top officials in the DOJ. There was no investigation into the surveillance of and seizing of private emails of journalists, no investigation of the unprecedented crackdown on whistleblowers, no investigation of the IRS targeting of conservative 401(c)(4) groups, and the destruction of evidence by the IRS after the fact in that case. No serious investigation of the Secret Service prostitute scandal. No investigation of the alternative energy loan program which had bad results and looked quite scammy. No investigation of the bribes paid to get Obamacare passed or the unethical contracting with Jonathan Gruber whom the administration and media presented as an objective analyst. No investigation of the lying to Congress about the Iran deal negotiations. No investigation of the ransom paid to Iran to get our hostages back. No investigation of the decision to drop the prosecution of the New Black Panthers for voter intimidation (the prosecution was dropped after the case was already won).

That's just off the top of my head. Not a single independent prosecutor was ever appointed. That would be remarkable even for a relatively clean two term administration. It is simply another scandal in a scandal ridden (but not plagued) administration like Obama's.
 
Number investigated =/= number of incidents. I mean, do people seriously believe that Eisenhower was a beacon of civic virtue despite doing worse stuff?
 
Bob001 said:
I did't know this. But (from a 1991 account of the Reagan years):

http://www.salon.com/2017/02/08/tru...-a-short-history-of-republican-corruption-tk/
http://www.amazon.com/Sleepwalking-Through-History-America-Reagan/dp/0393324346

Maybe Trump will break Ronnie's record.
http://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/03/us/politics/donald-trump-business.html?_r=1
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Certainly he is not - they are all crooks - and functional racists (note the word functional , it means whether they dislike other races than caucasian or not their policies and spending on programs always are losses for those other groups). As are their district drawing policies.
 
Bob001 said:
I did't know this. But (from a 1991 account of the Reagan years):

http://www.salon.com/2017/02/08/tru...-a-short-history-of-republican-corruption-tk/
http://www.amazon.com/Sleepwalking-Through-History-America-Reagan/dp/0393324346

Maybe Trump will break Ronnie's record.
http://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/03/us/politics/donald-trump-business.html?_r=1
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Certainly he is not - they are all crooks - and functional racists (note the word functional , it means whether they dislike other races than caucasian or not their policies and spending on programs always are losses for those other groups. As are their district drawing policies.)
 
ddt said:
When you look at the wiki page on the Reagan administration scandals, you'll see why convictions alone wouldn't cut it. Most famously, of course, with "Saint" Ronnie himself. Is there anyone with half a brain who really buys that Ollie North had concocted the Iran-Contra scheme without knowledge of the White House?
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Selling your strawman was never the point. North didn't need anyone to buy that he acted alone. All he needed to do was steadfastly refuse to implicate anyone else. Which he did, admirably.
 
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