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Trump is a FASCIST!

Is Trump a Fascist?


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No you don't, but that is a huge mistake. These words matter. Sometimes they evolve in a way that clarifies their meaning and sometimes they cloud it. Fascism is one of those words that at one time had a very specific meaning. But it's definition through misuse has really destroyed it's actual meaning. Now it seems as if any ultra nationalist authoritarian is now labeled a fascist which has nothing to do with the word's original meaning.

Whatever 'original meaning' it had evaporated almost immediately as it was used to describe disparate political systems who had certain elements in common.

Take away imperialism from fascism and you still have Franco and Salazar. Take away colonialism and you still have the Balkan fascism of the Ustashes. Add to the Italian fascism a radical anti-capitalism (which never much fascinated Mussolini) and you have Ezra Pound. Add a cult of Celtic mythology and the Grail mysticism (completely alien to official fascism) and you have one of the most respected fascist gurus, Julius Evola.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/
 
I don't think you need to consciously follow an ideology to be grouped within its categorization.

And with the best cheers of the night being for the imprisonment of a political opponent for imaginary crimes, problems being blaming on the parasitic and traitorous internal enemies, and demonization of foreigners, I don't really think we need to split hairs here.

I have come to the conclusion that we've been willing to happily stick Trump with the slicky-buffoon label and may have seriously missed all the signs.

He didn't get with a Jeff Sessions because he was a semi-known name and Trump bumbled into naming him his advisor on immigration. This is just a "for instance", but I can well recall a lot of moderates and liberals saying at the time, "Whoa, what a fool. He wants to sound like he has a policy so he goes to the most extreme and worst possible source? How's that gonna work? What a maroon."

Sessions' speechwriter wrote more than half of that speech. That dark, fearful and fearsome view is their view of the world. Trump went to Sessions and to his holy roller advisor and various other turds like Mantafort because these are his kindred spirits. He's been laying it out there all along, and we've been thinking these were just ego-driven mistakes, and he's been showing us who he really is. Any time a moderate on his "team" tempered some of his bravado, like on the building of the wall, the next day Trump corrected them: "And make no mistake. I will build it." Ha ha, what an idiot.

Alex Jones and Roger Stone were credentialed at the convention and both said they had met with Trump people. They had the crazy crying mom in a primetime speaking spot, Steve King was treated like a person and not a pariah, crazy general guy was nearly the veep candidate, they had some crazy ultimate fighting guy screaming at the crowd and no one even noticed. The Trump tried to stage a shootout at the OK Corral staredown and had his handlers whip the crowd into booing at just the wrong moments.... "Vote your conscience." "Boo. Boo. Boo." The platform reads like something written by the more conservative wing of the elders of Salem Village. Everyone thinks that was just an accident? Ridiculous. The party leadership has sold their souls to the TP [tea party] devil and just double-mortgaged it to the TP [Trump Pence] apocalypse.

He believes in the ugliness, the hate, the fear, the darkness. And he probably actually believes it when he says he's the only person who can change all this. He's the worst sort of demagogue - a self-convinced one.
 
Whatever 'original meaning' it had evaporated almost immediately as it was used to describe disparate political systems who had certain elements in common.



http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/

I understand and you're not wrong. As a political science major in college oh so many decades ago the devolution of this particular word has always annoyed the hell out of me. True fascism to me is an ideology as opposed to an amorphous negative label for ultranationalist authoritarian rule. There are aspects of that ideology which I believe should not be so quickly dismissed.
 
I understand and you're not wrong. As a political science major in college oh so many decades ago the devolution of this particular word has always annoyed the hell out of me. True fascism to me is an ideology as opposed to an amorphous negative label for ultranationalist authoritarian rule. There are aspects of that ideology which I believe should not be so quickly dismissed.

The problem is that certain terms come closest to describing, in words that all can understand, what we're witnessing. We can split hairs that bigotry toward people who are Mexican, Hispanic, Islamic isn't "really racism", but it's really a distinction without a difference. The sort of hate promoted by such xenophobic bigotry is racism for all intents and purposes. We can come up with a single, easily applied, word for it? Good. I'm all for it. But we allow serious discussions to get ridiculously sidetracked arguing about the semanthics.

Similarly, we don't have a spiffy one-word catch-all term for the sort of demagogue and dictator wannabe. [Well, we have one here... we call him General, no Prime Minister, Prayut.] Had Huey Long survived, we might have seen the sort of cult of personality to create an American Homegrown Tin Pot Populist Dictator, and we'd have a term for it... Longism or being Hueyfied. We came close with Ross Perot, too.

Again, if someone has a handy expression, I'm all for it. I think we can live with "fascistic".... the adjective. Parts of his approach are right in there with the fascist approach to government, he just doesn't encompass the whole thing. Narcissistic-demagogic-semi-totalitarian just doesn't trip lightly off the tongue.
 
There was a Vox article about how Trumps experience with the heavily regulated real estate market has led him to see all trade, business, international relations and diplomacy as a zero-sum game, which certainly is consistently expressed among his positions, and his own view of his role as the Great Dealmaker who will show everyone that America is the strongest and best there is. This is eerily similar to the fundamental tenet of Hitlerism, that the peoples and nations of the world are locked in an eternal Kampf (struggle) where certain men destined for greatness guided by Providence and a strong, true Weltanschauung (world-view) are to lead their people to victory. I don't think it's a coincidental similarity.
 
Why is everybody freaking out about Trump? Isn't he exactly the one you'd want Hillary to run against? He's so obviously mean and stupid and evil, he could never win. Did you want her to have to struggle through a campaign against a competent opponent? Don't y'all want the GOP destroyed?
 
Why is everybody freaking out about Trump? Isn't he exactly the one you'd want Hillary to run against? He's so obviously mean and stupid and evil, he could never win. Did you want her to have to struggle through a campaign against a competent opponent?

It's scary that so many people could vote for a guy like Trump. That's what's freaking us out.

Don't y'all want the GOP destroyed?

Personally, I want the GOP to be sane. The GOP has been insane for a long time, but it's getting worse.
 
Why is everybody freaking out about Trump? Isn't he exactly the one you'd want Hillary to run against? He's so obviously mean and stupid and evil, he could never win. Did you want her to have to struggle through a campaign against a competent opponent? Don't y'all want the GOP destroyed?

Because even though Trump is a Cinderella story, a candidate no one thought would get this far even Trump himself, it's come down to a one game playoff and sometimes underdogs do win.

I also don't think the GOP will be destroyed. What is the old saying? The rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated? I read in 2008 after Obama and the Dems won back the House and the Senate how the Republicans might not ever win another race and 2 years later the GOP took back both houses.

So, you'll excuse me if this time I want to make sure the body is cold.
 
Indeed, the GOP was supposed to be dead after the Goldwater debacle of '64. Nixon won in '68. The Dem's were totally screwed after McGovern in '72. Jimmy Carter won in '76.
 
Indeed, the GOP was supposed to be dead after the Goldwater debacle of '64. Nixon won in '68. The Dem's were totally screwed after McGovern in '72. Jimmy Carter won in '76.

It's one election. One moment in time. Parties survive and evolve. And so will the GOP The question is how.
 
It's one election. One moment in time. Parties survive and evolve. And so will the GOP The question is how.
The Whigs self destructed. The GOP has been shooting itself in the foot since about 2004.

Maybe the GOP won't survive. Evolved? Maybe the better word is mutated.
 

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