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Trump Impeachment: What crimes to include

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So, it looks like Trump may soon have to deal with impeachment, as support for impeachment from house Democrats is increasing.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...ate-house-democrats-impeachment-investigation
A wave of moderate first-term Democrats from Trump-friendly districts, who up to this point have resisted liberal members’ calls for impeachment, got on board with an impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump late Monday night.... About two-thirds of the caucus now support an inquiry, and more are following.

The Democrats have to decide how many articles to include in the impeachment process. To me, it seems rather... tricky. They could try to include everything, regardless of how small (with the idea that enough will stick to make even some existing Trump supporters to say "Whoa! I didn't know he was that bad!"). But, the risk of that is that they could end up seeming petty.

So, which of Trump's crimes do you think should be included in the impeachment?
 
Just one charge, a lot of evidence.

Or maybe just focus on a single thing that's considered the most egregious or easiest to demonstrate.
 
This sounds like something that should be rather obvious if impeachment is indeed that close. I mean, if you don't even have a good idea which "high crimes and misdemeanors" you are going to include yet, maybe you should start there before you start talking about impeachment.
 
xjx388 said:
This sounds like something that should be rather obvious if impeachment is indeed that close. I mean, if you don't even have a good idea which "high crimes and misdemeanors" you are going to include yet, maybe you should start there before you start talking about impeachment.
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NOTE: The members of this forum will not impeach Trump. I'm sure the Democrats have a fair idea of what they want to do.
 
slyjoe said:
I'm not sure even the obstruction charge(s) would be a small number.
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Yeah, but I think the point is, don't include any that are weak or trivial. Republicans will relentlessly attack the weakest points to distract from the strong ones.
 
Belz... said:
NOTE: The members of this forum will not impeach Trump. I'm sure the Democrats have a fair idea of what they want to do.
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Right. And that seems very clear and obvious: This Ukraine thing and maybe the Mueller probe obstruction charges. Anything beyond that is less significant so I don't see much to speculate about.
 
Dumb All Over said:
What are the choices?
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Here are some, just off the top of my head:

- Ukranian/whistleblower allegations
- Obstruction of Justice (from the Mueller report)
- Perjury (re: Mueller's statements that Trump's written responses were not truthful)
- Sharpie-gate: Giving false weather information (warning Alabama it could be hit by hurricane Dorian) is technically a crime
- Campaign finance violations related to Stormy Daniels payments and the like
- Emoluments related to foreign countries (e.g. when countries like Saudi Arabia rent his hotel rooms)
- Emoluments related to the United states (e.g. when U.S. military uses Trump resorts in Ireland)
- Promises to pardon people who break the law over construction of the border wall
- Crimes related to his actions before he became president (there are suggestions he was engaged in money laundering for example. Or there may be issues with the Trump foundation. Admittedly these would probably need more verification to confirm than some of his other crimes.)

They could also go for a more generic 'you violated the oath of office', and go after things like:
- Revealing state secrets to Russian and/or Iran (the president does have the ability to declassify information, but to do so in the manner he did might seem like a violation of the promise to 'protect' the constitution)
 
xjx388 said:
This sounds like something that should be rather obvious if impeachment is indeed that close. I mean, if you don't even have a good idea which "high crimes and misdemeanors" you are going to include yet, maybe you should start there before you start talking about impeachment.
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Exactly felonies are something everyone does 10 times a day that is why it is so weird to bar them from owning firearms. Give all felons like Trump nuclear weapons I say. That is in the spirit of the second amendment.
 
WilliamSeger said:
Yeah, but I think the point is, don't include any that are weak or trivial. Republicans will relentlessly attack the weakest points to distract from the strong ones.
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I mean it isn't like evidence and such has stopped them from dismissing things until now.
 
xjx388 said:
This sounds like something that should be rather obvious if impeachment is indeed that close. I mean, if you don't even have a good idea which "high crimes and misdemeanors" you are going to include yet, maybe you should start there before you start talking about impeachment.
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I haven't heard anyone say impeachment will be happening anytime soon; Pelosi is just asking the House to approve an official inquiry to come up with just that list. If you don't know what the list might be, you need to catch up. If you don't think it will lead to Articles and a vote, you're an incorrigible optimist.
 
Segnosaur said:
They could also go for a more generic 'you violated the oath of office', and go after things like:
- Revealing state secrets to Russian and/or Iran (the president does have the ability to declassify information, but to do so in the manner he did might seem like a violation of the promise to 'protect' the constitution)
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Hey you left out helping the Saudi's purge political enemies with US intelligence.
 
Segnosaur said:
Here are some, just off the top of my head:

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EDIT
- Sharpie-gate: Giving false weather information (warning Alabama it could be hit by hurricane Dorian) is technically a crime

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not this one.
The map Trump showed was out-of-date; he did not claim that this was what will happen, only what might have happened. This doesn't qualify as tampering with an official weather report.
 
xjx388 said:
This sounds like something that should be rather obvious if impeachment is indeed that close. I mean, if you don't even have a good idea which "high crimes and misdemeanors" you are going to include yet, maybe you should start there before you start talking about impeachment.
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Trump has presented the country with a situation where we almost have too many options. If they drew up articles of impeachment based on all of them, it’d be too complex to deal with all of them in one go.
 
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