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skyeagle409 said:
Where did he say anything about no evidence of collusion? He stated no such thing especially as investigations continue. Even Trump knows that things are getting a bit warm under the collar as multiple investigations continue.
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No, they have nothing. Multiple democrats involved with these investigations have said they have nothing. This is just a narrative they're trying to keep in the headlines.
 
Crossbow said:
Oh for crying out loud! Even when Trump is half-way around the world, he still manages to totally screw up things here in the USA.

Once again, Trump boldly defies all logic by putting another nail into the lid of own coffin.
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That plan has worked great for him so far. If it was not effective he wouldn't be president.
 
logger said:
No, they have nothing. Multiple democrats involved with these investigations have said they have nothing. This is just a narrative they're trying to keep in the headlines.
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Is that more nothing or less nothing than the Benghazi investigations had turned up in this amount of time? Because if Republicans use those as a guide this thing is just getting started . . .
 
logger said:
No, they have nothing. Multiple democrats involved with these investigations have said they have nothing. This is just a narrative they're trying to keep in the headlines.
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If you are actually correct, then your side should not have anything to worry about.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Is that more nothing or less nothing than the Benghazi investigations had turned up in this amount of time? Because if Republicans use those as a guide this thing is just getting started . . .
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Well, people actually died in that one.
 
logger said:
No, they have nothing. Multiple democrats involved with these investigations have said they have nothing. This is just a narrative they're trying to keep in the headlines.
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But you don't mind if there was collusion, since it would have helped achieve the desired result, so what's the point?
 
logger said:
Well, people actually died in that one.
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Wasn't the whole point to all of the Benghazi stuff that the powers that be should have done more to protect the people they had in place at the sharp end?

There were months of investigations, the Republicans went full bore hyper partisan over it, spent who knows how much money, and the end result was "mistakes were made, but nothing criminal happened" as I understand it.

If Russia (or any other foreign power) subverts high ranking officials in top government positions wouldn't that open the door to potentially lots more damage being done?

If the Russians, hypothetically speaking, have the National Security Advisor over a barrel, and as a result get intelligence they can act on because of that, then would that not put lives in harms way?

Would that not be an order of magnitude worse than errors made in Benghazi?

During the election campaign Trump publicly asked Russia to hack Clintons emails. He asked the director of the DNI and the NSA to publicly deny evidence of collusion between him and Russia, both declined, he fired Comey, while under an active investigation by him and later stated that he did so to relieve pressure from the FBIs investigation.

Were you happy with Flynn as NSA? Are you happy with Sessions as AG?

I want the people in the top jobs in my government and my military to be competent and to put the interests of my country ahead of that of their political party.
 
quadraginta said:
Why would anyone want to do that?

He's the one digging the hole. If he's got something to climb out of it with, let him be the one to share it.
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Nah, this is what makes it funnier. He claims there are multiple dems who say it. You provide him one example, so all he needs to do is come up with ONE more.

And he still can't do it...
 
logger said:
No, they have nothing.
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On the contrary, much evidence has been revealed that show connections between Trump's people and the Russians and the multiple investigations are still ongoing. Now, Trump is adding an attorney and Flynn still refuses to release documents and the investigation bands are playing on.


Multiple democrats involved with these investigations have said they have nothing. This is just a narrative they're trying to keep in the headlines.
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They can't make that determination while investigations are still ongoing especially now that connections between Trump's people and the Russians have been revealed and no doubt, there's more to come.
 
logger said:
Lol
It raised questions in "his mind" but of course no evidence of collusion?

Hilarious, can't even make this stuff up?
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Good to see you right up there with the latest memo from alt-right HQ on how to spin this. "Point 2: Keep harping on ill-defined terms that have no legal standing. Collusion is the best because it sounds legal-y but isn't and every time they provide a link, answer with "But that's no true collusion" and then start ignoring "collusion" and start demanding actual evidence of conspiracy or treason. This will take us up to Christmas, at minimum, by which time Voldemort will have secured enough souls to unleash the death walkers or at least topple the wall and take back middle earth."

I expect a lot of "Oh, yeah! That's not collusion, dumb Libruls."
 
The interesting thing is that the whole collusion argument is mostly a straw man. My concern with Russians and the last election is not merely that there may have been contacts, that could have been called "collusion", but all indications are that the Russian government showed a lot of interest in that election. Why? I think that's worth knowing.

On the left, some have jumped on that whole thing with the singular goal of dumping Trump from office, but that's really a side issue. The thing under investigation is what was the extent of Russian involvement, and what was their motive.

So when the right wingers start yelling "There's no evidence of collusion!" they are missing the point, or is it deliberate?
 
Meadmaker said:
The interesting thing is that the whole collusion argument is mostly a straw man. My concern with Russians and the last election is not merely that there may have been contacts, that could have been called "collusion", but all indications are that the Russian government showed a lot of interest in that election. Why? I think that's worth knowing.

On the left, some have jumped on that whole thing with the singular goal of dumping Trump from office, but that's really a side issue. The thing under investigation is what was the extent of Russian involvement, and what was their motive.

So when the right wingers start yelling "There's no evidence of collusion!" they are missing the point, or is it deliberate?
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Collusion's rather important because it's essentially treason. Obstruction of justice is easier to prove, though.

As to why the Russians were interested in the results, isn't that obvious? They want to destabilise the west in order to expand their influence, so they try to undermine democracy and the power of NATO, the EU and the US.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
I find no report on Trump recusing himself - AFAIK, only Sessions has.

But if he has, that would mean that all reports in need of attention by the Executive Branch would go to the next in the Line of Succession, i.e. Pence.
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I think we saw that Nunes, head of the House investigation of Trump and also one of the members of Trump's transition team, is the information carrier to Trump re the ongoing investigations.
 
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