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Puppycow said:
I see a lot of knee-jerk reactions to this, but upon reading the reasons, I have to say I agree with them.

Suggested reading:

Rod Rosenstein's letter recommending Comey is fired

(Goes on to quote the opinions of many former Attorneys General and Deputy Attorneys General from both parties)

So please stop freaking out. He was fired for cause. Granted, he was in a difficult position, and none of this would have ever happened if Hillary Clinton hadn't decided to set up her own private e-mail server. But, he still made incorrect choices in how to carry out his own job.
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Roughly 40% of the population will believe that letter was the reason Comey was fired -- the same 40% that will believe anything, apparently.
 
Puppycow said:
I see a lot of knee-jerk reactions to this, but upon reading the reasons, I have to say I agree with them.

Suggested reading:

Rod Rosenstein's letter recommending Comey is fired

(Goes on to quote the opinions of many former Attorneys General and Deputy Attorneys General from both parties)

So please stop freaking out. He was fired for cause. Granted, he was in a difficult position, and none of this would have ever happened if Hillary Clinton hadn't decided to set up her own private e-mail server. But, he still made incorrect choices in how to carry out his own job.
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All of which The Hair's administration knew when they came into office. So, why now?
 
WilliamSeger said:
Roughly 40% of the population will believe that letter was the reason Comey was fired -- the same 40% that will believe anything, apparently.
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Maybe it doesn't actually matter. Legitimate grounds to dismiss him existed. But please elaborate the real reason as you see it.
 
Puppycow said:
I see a lot of knee-jerk reactions to this, but upon reading the reasons, I have to say I agree with them.

Suggested reading:

Rod Rosenstein's letter recommending Comey is fired

(Goes on to quote the opinions of many former Attorneys General and Deputy Attorneys General from both parties)

So please stop freaking out. He was fired for cause. Granted, he was in a difficult position, and none of this would have ever happened if Hillary Clinton hadn't decided to set up her own private e-mail server. But, he still made incorrect choices in how to carry out his own job.
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Maybe the firing was appropriate. Nevertheless, the ONLY acceptable way forward is to appoint an Independent Special Prosecutor to continue the Russia Election investigation. Right now, the appearance is that Trump is deliberately hampering it. Keep in mind that he fired Deputy Attorney General Yates as well as the US Attorney for New York. As President he has that authority but this doesn't look good.
 
Puppycow said:
Maybe it doesn't actually matter. Legitimate grounds to dismiss him existed. But please elaborate the real reason as you see it.
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The thing is that while yes those reasons existed, the time to fire him for them was at the time he did them, but rather than calling for him to be fired, Trump supported Comet's actions at the time and even used them to further his own campaign. This is why his actions are hypocritical. He only fires him when he starts to be a thorn in his side, and then uses the previous indiscretions to hide his real reason. If He was so against what Comey had done during the election, he would have asked him for his resignation months ago.

That's the issue. It's not that he fired him, it's that either he isn't being honest about why he fired him, or he fired him for something that he was happy to cheer on at the time. Either way, that makes the firing smell rotten.
 
As usual, Trump is shooting the messenger.
Yes, Comey had it coming, but it's hard to see anything but opportunism in the timing: the Trump Crew thought that Democrats wouldn't object since Comey is so unpopular with them. But the Clinton emails aren't the pressing issue, Flynn is. And without a credible replacement, firing him in the middle of an investigation into his boss, right after the failed misdirections in the Yates hearing, just looks too much like an attempt to hamper the the work of the FBI.
 
PhantomWolf said:
The thing is that while yes those reasons existed, the time to fire him for them was at the time he did them, but rather than calling for him to be fired, Trump supported Comet's actions at the time and even used them to further his own campaign. This is why his actions are hypocritical. He only fires him when he starts to be a thorn in his side, and then uses the previous indiscretions to hide his real reason. If He was so against what Comey had done during the election, he would have asked him for his resignation months ago.

That's the issue. It's not that he fired him, it's that either he isn't being honest about why he fired him, or he fired him for something that he was happy to cheer on at the time. Either way, that makes the firing smell rotten.
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Oh, I see. What did he say at the time? I'm not doubting you, I just need my memory refreshed.

Of course, Trump could not have fired him at the time because he wasn't president yet. If Obama had fired him it would have looked like political interference. Possibly obstruction of justice.
 
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Puppycow said:
Maybe it doesn't actually matter. Legitimate grounds to dismiss him existed. But please elaborate the real reason as you see it.
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Of course, most people think it's a clumsy attempt to quash the FBI investigation, but the timing and the irrationality of it suggests vindictive narcissistic rage.
 
Puppycow said:
Oh, I see. What did he say at the time? I'm not doubting you, I just need my memory refreshed.
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Trump used his words about Hillary to attack her over the emails while saying that he thought that the FBI had made a bad decision to not prosecute her.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/750352884106223616

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/750352884106223616

What you don't see there is "FBI Director overstepped his boundaries, he should be fired."

In fact in Oct he has this to say about Comey...

"That was so bad what happened originally, and it took guts for Director Comey to make the move that he made in light of the kind of opposition he had where they’re trying to protect her from criminal prosecution, it took a lot of guts."

Again no signs of Trump declaring him to have overstepped the mark, rather it was the Democrats calling for Comey's head at that point.

Of course, Trump could not have fired him at the time because he wasn't president yet. If Obama had fired him it would have looked like political interference. Possibly obstruction of justice.
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Not so much if he had done so after he announced that the FBI were not pressing for prosecution. Obama could have thanked him, said he'd done a good job but overstepped in his announcements. Heck the Republicans would have loved it because they were after him for not charging Clinton at that point and called him to to testify and grilled him over the decision.

At no point where the Republicans at all concerned with the violation of protocols. To blame that now is hypocrisy, pure and simple.
 
acbytesla said:
Maybe the firing was appropriate. Nevertheless, the ONLY acceptable way forward is to appoint an Independent Special Prosecutor to continue the Russia Election investigation. Right now, the appearance is that Trump is deliberately hampering it. Keep in mind that he fired Deputy Attorney General Yates as well as the US Attorney for New York. As President he has that authority but this doesn't look good.
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^This.
 
Puppycow said:
Oh, I see. What did he say at the time? I'm not doubting you, I just need my memory refreshed.

Of course, Trump could not have fired him at the time because he wasn't president yet. If Obama had fired him it would have looked like political interference. Possibly obstruction of justice.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-praises-james-comey-230542http:// is just one of the articles over a fair period of time describing how Trump was pointedly praising how Comey was handling or did handle the Hillary e-mail issue. The same issue that he's officially firing Comey for, pretty much.
 
Well you certainly won't get any argument from me that Trump isn't a gigantic hypocrite on this and many other things. I think we all knew that already though.
 
Reminds me of the Watergate scandal.

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Aridas said:
Trump praises Comey for having 'a lot of guts' is just one of the articles over a fair period of time describing how Trump was pointedly praising how Comey was handling or did handle the Hillary e-mail issue. The same issue that he's officially firing Comey for, pretty much.
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Trump praises Comey for having 'a lot of guts'
10/31/16 02:01 PM EDT

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“And I have to give the FBI credit. That was so bad what happened originally,” Trump said, referring to Comey’s announcement in July to not recommend charges against Clinton to the Justice Department. “And it took guts for Director Comey to make the move that he made in light of the kind of opposition he had where they’re trying to protect her from criminal prosecution. You know that. It took a lot of guts.”

Trump, who was highly critical of Comey, the FBI and DOJ after his summer announcement, said Monday he “really disagreed with him” at the time.

“I was not his fan,” he added, “but I’ll tell you what: What he did, he brought back his reputation. He brought it back.”

The GOP nominee also advised the FBI chief to “hang tough.” “A lot of people want him to do the wrong thing,” Trump suggested. “What he did was the right thing.”
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Like I said, a gigantic hypocrite. But Democrats who were once calling for Comey to resign shouldn't forget that either.
 
Trump knew that what Comey said and did on July 5th, 2016 was inappropriate. He was just so busy with the transition -- moving his family into the White House -- and then the first hundred days -- repealing and replacing Obamacare, getting out of NAFTA (worst deal in history), abandoning NATO, throwing Clinton in prison, serving China a Big Mac and labeling them a currency manipulator, exposing Obama's "wiretapping," building a wall, and stopping Muslim immigration until we figure out what the hell is going on, etc., so the long coming Comey firing was placed on the backburner. Frankly, I'm not yet tired of winning.
 
Sessions was told to find reasons to fire Comey: reports

The Hill said:
President Trump’s decision Tuesday to fire FBI Director James Comey has been in the works since at least last week, according to multiple media reports.

Senior officials at the White House and Justice Department were working on building a case against Comey since that time, according to The New York Times. Attorney General Jeff Sessions was asked to come with reasons to oust him.
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Shortly after Comey's firing was announced, the White House circulated letters from Sessions and his deputy, Rod Rosenstein, justifying the decision.
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