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ponderingturtle said:
Obstruction of justice is what they generally get politicians on. And you have that from the man himself in his latest interviews and tweets. No republicans care.
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This is true. He could outright say it on television that he just wanted Comey to stop investigating his ties to Russia and no republicans would care. Heck, he could rape a puppy on the steps of the Capitol and they would leave it alone.
 
Aridas said:
Informal referring to things like confirmation bias inducing stories that suddenly spread on social media.



You're completely missing out on what I said, by the look of it. False claims can quite certainly do damage just by being made and spread around in the first place and simply challenging and removing them after isn't sufficient to undo that damage. In fact, for the more conspiracy minded and those who have learned to trust "authorities" like Alex Jones, it can even strengthen the false belief. If you want to directly address the electoral fraud that you claim would be caused by the deception, you're going to need to be directly figuring out who has been deceived, hence the personal test being pretty much the best case scenario.

The 1st amendment has nothing to do with the points that I was making. I certainly wouldn't mind news outlets of all stripes being subject to fines for knowingly spreading false information, though.

Hmm? Interesting. For democratic elections to work well, people need to be choosing the people that they think are the best for the job. When people are choosing based on reasons that have nothing to do with that, it very much undermines the value of the election.

True, it's not the specific issue that you're focusing on. It's a related, but different one that's also important to consider, though, given that such undermines the value of an election just as surely as false information can.


It doesn't, though there can potentially be a legitimate transfer of power via other means. That's been established well enough. How do we know if it's actually illegitimate in a way that can actually be reasonably acted on and potentially give sufficient cause to completely overturn it? It's going to need to, at least, be ruled to be such in an appropriate court of law. That is, unless you're more a fan of military revolution and chaos.

And it wasn't.
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I would argue that the First Amendment has EVERYTHING to do with your points ALL of which are logical even reasonable. Where they fail is in practice. Who decides what is or isn't sufficientl false to invalidate an election.
Sounds simple but its unfortunately not. A commission? Jurges or juries? How do you make them non-partisan?

In America, the calculated decision is that it is up to the voter to sort through it and make their own decision.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Obstruction of justice is what they generally get politicians on. And you have that from the man himself in his latest interviews and tweets. No republicans care.
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It's utterly mind-boggling the extent to which the obstruction of justice is in plain view.

Sarah Huckabee said:
We want this to come to its conclusion. We think that we’ve actually, by removing Director Comey, taken steps to make that happen.
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Foolmewunz said:
It's her street name. She wanted to go by Sistah Whitey G, but when Biggie Smalls got popped by the L.A. brothers, she changed her moniker out of respect. She and Biggie (a.k.a. The Notorious B.I.G.) are both from Brooklyn and used to practice their raps together. Their early duets are still some of the most sought after cuts from Uptown Records. She'll be recording some sides with Dr. Dre at Aftermath this summer to release an EP. "The Notorious R. B.G: **** Your Second Amendment, The Po-Po Gone Cray-Cray".

/The more you know.
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"Notorious RBG" really is her street name. It started after a particularly scorching dissent in a voting rights case. It became the title of her biography.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...notorious-r-b-g-thing/?utm_term=.bc5039decf2c
https://www.amazon.com/Notorious-RBG-Times-Bader-Ginsburg/dp/0062415832
 
Worth noting: Sessions, who had to recuse himself from Russia probe because of his own talks with Russia, is overseeing search for FBI director.
 
It seems likely that they're recording meetings and the tapes exist. From the story of Trump leaking classified intel because he's too addled and dumb.

One of Bossert’s subordinates also called for the problematic portion of Trump’s discussion to be stricken from internal memos and for the full transcript to be limited to a small circle of recipients, efforts to prevent sensitive details from being disseminated further or leaked.
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If Trump aides are calling for limited release of a "transcript" of his meeting with Lavrov, that means they must be recording the meetings.
 
acbytesla said:
Great article. Thanks for the link.

I thought the final question and answer was telling.
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That it won't end well for Trump is clear since day one.

By now, it's clear that it won't end well for the GOP, though.

And hopefully it won't bring down the whole country with it.
 
Comey Memo Says Trump Asked Him to End Flynn Investigation

President Trump asked the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, to shut down the federal investigation into Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, in an Oval Office meeting in February, according to a memo that Mr. Comey wrote shortly after the meeting.

“I hope you can let this go,” the president told Mr. Comey, according to the memo.

The existence of Mr. Trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the Justice Department and F.B.I. investigation into links between Mr. Trump’s associates and Russia.

Mr. Comey wrote the memo detailing his conversation with the president immediately after the meeting, which took place the day after Mr. Flynn resigned, according to two people who read the memo. The memo was part of a paper trail Mr. Comey created documenting what he perceived as the president’s improper efforts to influence an ongoing investigation. An F.B.I. agent’s contemporaneous notes are widely held up in court as credible evidence of conversations.
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Wow.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/...ey-trump-flynn-russia-investigation.html?_r=0
 
Trump is, in many ways, a tone deaf, impulsive dimwit.

I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if there is absolutely nothing to any of the Russia nonsense and his mindset is "because there's nothing to it, I'm sick of this and I don't understand how bad the optics of angrily trying to bring this all to a conclusion are, especially given that a lot of people don't know there's nothing to it."
 
This seems to indicate that Trump knew what he was doing was wrong.

Mr. Comey had been in the Oval Office that day with other senior national security officials for a terrorism threat briefing. When the meeting ended, Mr. Trump told those present — including Mr. Pence and Attorney General Jeff Sessions — to leave the room except for Mr. Comey.
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This is strong evidence that Trump fired Comey because he wouldn't end a criminal investigation into an ally.
 
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