Moderated Trump announces new concentration camps

[Horatius]

I don’t believe most of the things Squeegee Beckerheim claims have actually happened.
I also don't think the posts in “while black” threads are about justifications for killing innocent people.

Well, then, you're completely detached from reality. Welcome to the club.

 

[phunk]

Yes, throw rocks at armed soldiers whilst trying to break across a border into a foreign country and expect repercussions. It demonstrates the calibre of some of those trying to enter the US. They can't immediately gain access, they don't want to apply through the proper channels, so immediately they riot. I imagine none of those proposing these immigrants be let in face the risk of living next door to them. I wonder what would happen if I turned up without a passport at a US airport and tried beating security with a rock.

That's not how asylum works and you know it. Everyone knows it. It's repeated over and over in these threads. They ARE going through the proper channels. You have to be here to apply for asylum. You can't do it before you come here.

*edit: quoted the wrong post

 

[baron]

That's not how asylum works and you know it. Everyone knows it. It's repeated over and over in these threads. They ARE going through the proper channels. You have to be here to apply for asylum. You can't do it before you come here.

*edit: quoted the wrong post

I don't know much about US asylum law, but the second sentence on Wiki says this

"A specified number of legally defined refugees who either apply for asylum from inside the U.S. or apply for refugee status from outside the U.S., are admitted annually."

And I think you know that once the application is made, wherever that may be, most do not have a hope in hell of satisfying the criteria by which one is deemed a refugee.

 

[phunk]

I don't know much about US asylum law, but the second sentence on Wiki says this

"A specified number of legally defined refugees who either apply for asylum from inside the U.S. or apply for refugee status from outside the U.S., are admitted annually."

And I think you know that once the application is made, wherever that may be, most do not have a hope in hell of satisfying the criteria by which one is deemed a refugee.

There is a difference between refugees and asylum seekers.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I get this adds a new wrinkle to this clustermuck but if on a moral level if conditions in Country A are so bad that not letting people from Country A into your country to allow them to escape Country A is a moral failing, I'd argue you have an equal moral imperative to try and fix the problems in Country A.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

I would think a post like this is a disservice to people who suffered in real concentration camps except I think you believe they are similar.
They are not.

Can you explain how they are different? BTW you don't need to explain how they are different from a Nazi concentration camp of WWII, but those were not typical. This does sound typical of typical concentration camps.

ETA: Note that wikipedia makes a distinction between concentration/internment camp and Nazi concentration camp.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camps

The American Heritage Dictionary defines the term concentration camp as: "A camp where persons are confined, usually without hearings and typically under harsh conditions, often as a result of their membership in a group the government has identified as dangerous or undesirable."[7]

 

[johnny karate]

You know your link doesn't negate the claim, right?

Sounds like you're volunteering to substantiate the original claim.

I eagerly await you to report back with your findings.

 

[phiwum]

Except that these are the same people who say things like "Mexican isn't a race", so it wouldn't be genocide in their minds. To them, it's just executing criminals, which we know Republicans strongly support.

I don't personally know any Republican who would support executing a person simply for illegal immigration.

Let's stop exaggerating the evil of our political opponents. At present, Republicans (at least Trump supporters) have enough to answer for.

 

[eeyore1954]

Can you explain how they are different? BTW you don't need to explain how they are different from a Nazi concentration camp of WWII, but those were not typical. This does sound typical of typical concentration camps.

The general term concentration camps in my mind now refers to the Nazi type. Travis talking about finding a quarry also implies death camps. There may be nice modern “concentration camps” I am not aware of.

 

[johnny karate]

Did President Trump say that? I don't think so. He did make a ridiculous statement about rock throwing being considered the same as a rifle.

Are you any less hateful towards those who disagree with you than the "scum" at those Trump rallies?

Trump and his supporters are big fans of violent criminal assault.

You don't think people who celebrate violent criminal assault deserve to be called scum?

 

[carlitos]

What might this topic actually be about? I pay pretty close attention to the news, and no one else seems to think that "Trump announced new concentration camps" yesterday. What did I miss?

 

[baron]

There is a difference between refugees and asylum seekers.

The latter becomes the former (or can do), I understand that. But you said they could not take the legal route of application without entering the US. The cite I quoted states this to be false. So have you any evidence what you said is correct?

 

[phiwum]

Very, very, very few people would stand by for US citizens being tortured and incarcerated indefinitely without trial.

I'm not sure what you're referring to here.

Very, very, very few people would stand for open white supremacists in the White House.

Nor here. There are certainly folk in the White House that I think are racist, but I wouldn't call them "open white supremacist". Who do you have in mind? (Stephen Miller is probably closest to what you mean, and formerly Bannon, far as I'm concerned.)

Very, very, very few people would stand for a hostile foreign power interfering in US elections with no repercussions and no preventative measures for future elections.

Absolutely no questions needed for this one!

 

[baron]

Sounds like you're volunteering to substantiate the original claim...

...or point out that your link does not claim what you say it does. Which I did.

 

[johnny karate]

...or point out that your link does not claim what you say it does. Which I did.

What did I say it claimed?

 

[JoeMorgue]

What might this topic actually be about? I pay pretty close attention to the news, and no one else seems to think that "Trump announced new concentration camps" yesterday. What did I miss?

You didn't miss anything except a need to feed the outrage machine.

 

[phunk]

The latter becomes the former (or can do), I understand that. But you said they could not take the legal route of application without entering the US. The cite I quoted states this to be false. So have you any evidence what you said is correct?

I said they can't apply for asylum without coming here, I didn't say there weren't other ways to immigrate. The bit you quote doesn't say it's false, it says the same thing I did. Asylum needs to be applied for here, refugee status can be applied for remotely.

 

[carlitos]

You didn't miss anything except a need to feed the outrage machine.

Where does he find this stuff - more memes perhaps? Sure, CNN is big corporate news, but not even HuffPo had anything on this topic when I looked.

 

[phiwum]

Not yet, no. But take a look at any of the "Xing while Black" threads to see how many Republican types go out of their way to find after-the-fact justifications for killing people. They won't feel it now, but I'd give good odds on a lot of them feeling it then.

Sorry, are there really threads about "crossing while black"?

 

[Belz...]

Sorry, are there really threads about "crossing while black"?

Well, there's a thread about being home while black, and all.