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Trayvon Martin, Vigilante Justice

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That theory doesn't make any sense at all. Why would Zimmerman get out of his truck to run down the street? Why not just drive?

For me it doesn't make sense becuase if Martin had a head start, ie was in front of Zimmerman, he would have to wait around a while to allow Zimmerman to get ahead of him.

If both individuals are traveling at about the same speed and one has 50 yard head start (just arbitrary distance) the distance between two corners on a rectangle are equal, and thus martin should still be ~50 yards a head when Zimmerman got to the bottom corner.

Only if Martin stopped would it make sense.
 
Sorry if this has been covered already. I was listening to the FDLE interview with W6 ("John") and found yet another one of Zimmerman's key claims corroborated. If you remember during the bond hearing, de la Rionda was questioning Det. Gilbreath on some of Zimmerman's statements. Gilbreath cited Zimmerman's claim that, directly before the fatal shot, they were first struggling on then the grass then moved to the sidewalk area. Gilbreath claimed that the narrative was not supported by witness statements or physical evidence. During the John's statement with FDLE (26:20), he cleared this matter up:



W6 went on to describe what he described as Martin either hitting or forcefully holding Zimmerman and waxed curious as to why Martin did not get up after he told them to cut it out, instead continuing the attack.

Thanks for putting that up. That pretty much closes down one of the two main lines of attack made by prosecution at the bond hearing. I went back and watched the tape of the hearing that had no commercial interruptions, and found the other one, which was initially volunteered by Gilbreath without being asked about it:

O'MARA: Any evidence that conflicts any eyewitnesses, anything that conflicts with the contention that Mr. Martin assaulted first?
GILBREATH: That contention that was given to us by him, other than filling in the figures being one following or chasing the other one, as to who threw the first blow, no.

During a commercial break, this exchange occurred: (I transcribed this so any errors are mine.)

de la Rionda - Mr. Zimmerman never claimed that he chased - in terms of ran after - Mr. Martin, is that correct?
Gilbreath - No.
de la Rionda - But, you still have, is it not true, a witness who describes someone chasing another person from the area where they ended up. In other words, from the area where Mr. Martin lived, to the area where the murder happened.
Gilbreath - Yes.

I think in the first answer Gilbreath really meant "yes" and was just confused.

Anyway, Witness two now says she only saw one person if indeterminate race, gender, or age. From the Orlando Sentinel:

Witness 2

A young woman who lives in the Retreat at Twin Lakes community, where Trayvon was shot, was interviewed twice by Sanford police and once by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

She told authorities that she had taken out her contact lenses just before the incident. In her first recorded interview with Sanford police four days after the shooting, she told lead Investigator Chris Serino, "I saw two guys running. Couldn't tell you who was in front, who was behind."

She stepped away from her window, and when she looked again, she "saw a fistfight. Just fists. I don't know who was hitting who."

A week later, she added a detail when talking again to Serino: During the chase, the two figures had been 10 feet apart.

That all changed when she was reinterviewed March 20 by an FDLE agent. That time, she recalled catching a glimpse of just one running figure, she told FDLE Investigator John Batchelor, and she heard the person more than saw him.

"I couldn't tell you if it was a man, a woman, a kid, black or white. I couldn't tell you because it was dark and because I didn't have my contacts on or glasses. … I just know I saw a person out there."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...120522_1_witnesses-change-shooting-fdle-agent

So, the witnesses have changed or clarified their statements to negate the evidence of Zimmerman's guilt hinted at by the prosecution at the bond hearing. One witness says the fight did move to the sidewalk, and another now says she saw no chase.

Also, with regard to the gunshot, Gilbreath described the powder burns on Martin's sweatshirt as "near contact" and the stippling as "close proximity".
 
Well, I brought up very early in this thread, that whatever the prosecution had, it wasn't contained in the stuff the media was releasing.
And I didn't see it in the document dump either.

I wouldn't expect them to say that they have no case, but unless they have a video of Zimmerman saying 'I was never in fear for my life', they are going to need more than just 'inconsistent statements'.
 
Here's a scenario regarding "Get off!"

TM punches GZ and gets on top to beat GZ up.

GZ "Get off! Get Off!"

Dee-dee hears both of the above before TM's phone cuts out.

Struggle goes on for a bit. Witnesses see struggle. GZ calls for help. TM is trying to keep GZ quiet etc. They are on the ground with TM on top.

GZ manages to pull gun and fire.

TM "Okay you got it. You got it." Meaning he will now get off of GZ since GZ has a gun, but it's too late.

i.e. :"You got it man, I'll get off of you."

GZ has fired at about the same time TM is saying "You got it".

GZ rolls over on top of TM, not yet realizing that TM is dead.

Witness sees GZ on top of TM.

etc.
 
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GZ manages to pull gun and fire.

TM "Okay you got it. You got it." Meaning he will now get off of GZ since GZ has a gun, but it's too late.

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That might be what the defense will want us to believe. But how does George manage to get the gun with a kid sitting on him MMA style pounding his face? Trayvon would be sitting on the gun or in front of the gun making it inaccessible. The only time George would have access to get the gun would be after Trayvon had started to get off.

I see a possibility of the prosecution changing the charge to Murder-1.
 
The only time George would have access to get the gun would be after Trayvon had started to get off.

Zimmerman would have had oppurtunity to reach the firearm. For a high straddle, he could reach around Martin's leg. Even if Martin was on the weapon, it would be fairly easy to access the firearm under the weight of Martin. This was a subcompact. At any rate, the eyewitness acoounts, body placement and firearms lab testing do not support a scenario where Martin withdrew before the fatal shot.

I see a possibility of the prosecution changing the charge to Murder-1.

Good luck with that. Already, the state is having to rehabilitate witnesses to simply make it past an immunity hearing. I don't think you're gonna see some tactic to upgrade charges at any point in the immediate future.
 
Trayvon Martin Day

Trayvon Martin Day declared at D.C. elementary school

We may never know exactly how or why young Trayvon Martin was killed that dark February night in Sanford, Fla., but the slaying which has provoked nationwide protests has now prompted something even more unique nearly 900 miles away.
In an effort to better educate students and their parents about race relations and social injustice, a D.C. elementary school has declared Friday “Trayvon Martin Day.”


http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/05/trayvon-martin-day-declared-at-d-c-elementary-school-76327.html

Not really relevant, just in my local news.
 
That might be what the defense will want us to believe. But how does George manage to get the gun with a kid sitting on him MMA style pounding his face? Trayvon would be sitting on the gun or in front of the gun making it inaccessible. The only time George would have access to get the gun would be after Trayvon had started to get off.

I see a possibility of the prosecution changing the charge to Murder-1.

Murder 1 charges in Florida have to go through a Grand Jury.

Also, Zimmerman's priority would have been to keep TM from getting the gun, regardless of whatever else was going on. And, if TM had just told Z he was going to die tonight, then Z would understandably have fired immediately after getting control of the gun.

Source for alleged threat from TM:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/2...yvon-martin-beat-his-son-threatened-his-life/
 
Murder 1 charges in Florida have to go through a Grand Jury.

Also, Zimmerman's priority would have been to keep TM from getting the gun, regardless of whatever else was going on. And, if TM had just told Z he was going to die tonight, then Z would understandably have fired immediately after getting control of the gun.


I thought George's first priority was to keep from getting his face smashed. Wasn't he just one more blow away from spoon feeding and pampers for the rest of his life? If he puts his guard down to go for the gun there will be a fist comming through. That is, unless Trayvon had already stopped fighting him.

Did any of the witnesses hear Trayvon tell George he was going to die? Did George suddenly become a psychic and knew that was what Trayvon was thinking without it being said? Or could it be that George only thought that to himself while he was busy screaming his head off? Perhaps though, it was in the moment that trayvon started to get off of George that George saw the opportunity to stop this ******* before he gets away.
 
I suppose this also supports Zimmerman's claim that after he shot Trayvon through the heart puncturing his lung, Trayvon got up and said "you got me, you got me, now you are going to die"
Uh, what? Where are you getting this stuff?
 
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