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Cont: Transwomen are not women part XII (also merged)

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Hercules56 said:
Um, I'm not sure which is worse, trying to censor slander or falsely accusing people of being child molesters.
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JK Rowling probably shouldn't be trusted around children, at least, if you don't want your children exposed to TERF brain. Young children probably shouldn't be left in the care of bigots.
 
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Lplus said:
Lets assume you are also blind.

I'd like a show of hands who considers this scenario to be anything more than a strawman .
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Are you under the notion that all trans people are easily distinguishable at a glance?? Many of them are not. At all. "I went on some dates and later discovered they are trans" isn't some imagined scenario. That's very real. People have murdered trans people when they got involved with them and later discovered they were trans. (Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Gwen_Araujo). People have filed rape charges against a transgender person because they were intimate together and LATER discovered the person was transgender.

Here are some examples of transgender people:

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Good grief. I know totally cisgendered women who have no problem being identified as "she" and getting hit on by guys until they put on some bulky clothes and suddenly get called "he" and get flirted with by women. I've known one cisgendered guy who got misidentified as a "she" and hit on by guys way more than he was comfortable with.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
JK Rowling probably shouldn't be trusted around children, at least, if you don't want your children exposed to TERF brain. Young children probably shouldn't be left in the care of bigots.
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Considering how you've made stuff up about JKR just to get angry about I'm not sure you're the best person to decide what's good for kids
 
Manger Douse said:
Considering how you've made stuff up about JKR just to get angry about I'm not sure you're the best person to decide what's good for kids
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Man, if I had JK Rowling money I could sick my pack of lawyers on you for that, assuming you were a UK citizen.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
Interesting to see such support for regressive libel laws on a supposed skeptics forum. In fact, I don't really believe it, you're just happy it's working out for your preferred censor in this particular example.
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Interesting to see such a huge strawman on a supposed skeptics site, but when you make stuff up about people just to get angry it's not surprising
 
Cat Not Included said:
Are you under the notion that all trans people are easily distinguishable at a glance?? Many of them are not. At all. "I went on some dates and later discovered they are trans" isn't some imagined scenario. That's very real. People have murdered trans people when they got involved with them and later discovered they were trans. (Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Gwen_Araujo). People have filed rape charges against a transgender person because they were intimate together and LATER discovered the person was transgender.

Here are some examples of transgender people:

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Good grief. I know totally cisgendered women who have no problem being identified as "she" and getting hit on by guys until they put on some bulky clothes and suddenly get called "he" and get flirted with by women. I've known one cisgendered guy who got misidentified as a "she" and hit on by guys way more than he was comfortable with.
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Doubt you're going to get much traction here with this, our resident anti-trans warriors are quite confident in their ability to clock trans people.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
It's entirely an opinion to point to Rowling's many public statements on the issue and describe them as bigoted or Nazi-aligned.

You may disagree with the reasoning, or even think there's some very bad-faith interpretation at work, but opinion based on disclosed facts is never defamation (at least in the US, which cares about free speech more than TERF island)
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I don't know the finer points of US libel laws, but intentional bad-faith interpretation or presenting statements out of context in a way that completely misleads others about their meaning or intent can become indistinguishable from making false statements and should be actionable.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
JK Rowling probably shouldn't be trusted around children, at least, if you don't want your children exposed to TERF brain. Young children probably shouldn't be left in the care of bigots.
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Glad you did not publish this in a UK paper, otherwise you could be sued bigtime.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
Like I said, USA #1 baby. TERF island can seethe about it, but we're 100% free to call Rowling a Nazi here.
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As long as you don't assert that by "Nazi" you mean she is actually a member of a Nazi organization when she can provably demonstrate that she is in fact not a member of that organization. You will be fine.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
Do you disagree that describing someone's views as being aligned with Nazis is an opinion?
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As a matter of fact, Rowling either publicly advocates for the ideology of Nazism or else she does not. Care to weigh in on one side or the other?

TurkeysGhost said:
Maybe I should be posting this in the cancel culture thread, isn't this something you're quite concerned about?
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Isn't cancellation something you are vocally unconcerned about? I'll freely admit that Rowling shouldn't be trying to have her critics disemployed, demoted, deplatformed, defrocked, disbarred, etc.

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Describing someone as a bigot is certainly a serious insult, but it's one ultimately and obviously rooted in opinion.
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I don't think even a team of lawyers has time to chase down every time Rowling is called a bigot.
 
It really disturbs me when folks who have not advocated extreme nationalism, dictatorship, discrimination are called "Nazis". Its such a lazy insult.
 
d4m10n said:
As a matter of fact, Rowling either publicly advocates for the ideology of Nazism or else she does not. Care to weigh in on one side or the other?

Isn't cancellation something you are vocally unconcerned about? I'll freely admit that Rowling shouldn't be trying to have her critics disemployed, demoted, deplatformed, defrocked, disbarred, etc.
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Rowling actually proves my point about cancel culture, in that it's selective outrage dressed up as a concern about broader free speech rights. None of these reactionary dweebs that whine about cancel culture have made a peep about a rich lady using her immense wealth to threaten people with dubious libel lawsuits, because this is exactly the kind of hierarchy and restriction to speech that these supposed free speech warriors are perfectly comfortable with.
 
Hercules56 said:
It really disturbs me when folks who have not advocated extreme nationalism, dictatorship, discrimination are called "Nazis". Its such a lazy insult.
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I agree, especially when "TERF" is right there and was created specifically to describe these people.
 
TurkeysGhost said:
Rowling actually proves my point about cancel culture, in that it's selective outrage dressed up as a concern about broader free speech rights. None of these reactionary dweebs that whine about cancel culture have made a peep about a rich lady using her immense wealth to threaten people with dubious libel lawsuits, because this is exactly the kind of hierarchy and restriction to speech that these supposed free speech warriors are perfectly comfortable with.
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For my part, it's a matter of turnaround is fair play. I'd love it if cancel culture wasn't a thing. But it's not up to me. And if it is a thing, then it should be applied to the left too, not just the right. So bring it on. Cancel all the left until they cry uncle, and agree to do away with it. Or if you prefer, Alinsky's rule 4.
 
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