Transgender man gives birth

[mike81]

Actually, you said The Sun was not the only one reporting it, and then you provided a link to the Toronto Star not reporting it.

You are right, the Toronto Star did not report it that way. The transman himself did. Many others are also reporting a man gave birth.

 

[uke2se]

So then you agree that the headline "Man gives birth to baby" is inaccurate because it's describing a medical miracle? "Transman gives birth to baby," is pretty ordinary even if it's a bit shocking to some sensibilities.

It's pure click-bait.

 

[uke2se]

You are right, the Toronto Star did not report it that way. The transman himself did. Many others are also reporting a man gave birth.

Why is it important what this guy said? I would interpret him saying it as more than a little tounge in cheek. You most likely wouldn't. So why is it important?

 

[johnny karate]

You are right, the Toronto Star did not report it that way. The transman himself did.

Your rather liberal definition of "report" notwithstanding, but...

Many others are also reporting a man gave birth.

...Who?

 

[p0lka]

Yes, he did.

No, a man did not have a baby. A woman that is taking hormone treatments so that they can become like a man had a baby, they had a womb and an uterus and all the female components that are involved in having a baby.

He's not a biological man, but he's a man

That statement doesn't even make any sense.

 

[mumblethrax]

So what? You seemed to be saying that The Sun was the only one saying a man gave birth. I pointed out that is not true. The transman himself said it.

The bait-and-switch is not in ever saying "man gives birth", it's in working very hard to create the impression that a male pregnancy has occurred and withholding important details until you click through.

Trystan Reese, apart from not being part of "the media" in the ordinary sense, cannot be accused of withholding the fact that he's transgendered. It's all over his web site, which is presumably where the video came from.

 

[p0lka]

Tabloid journalism must be new to you.

ETA: Actually, reading through the last few posts, it must be new to a lot of people.

Na I'm well aware of how tabloids work that's why I don't read them, my concern is that there are so many people out there that aren't.

 

[johnny karate]

Na I'm well aware of how tabloids work that's why I don't read them, my concern is that there are so many people out there that aren't.

And after decades of rampant tabloid journalism, this particular story is where you decided to take a stand?

 

[Belz...]

You asked me which it was and I answered.

And you answer only one question per thread, is that it?

If you don't like it, you can stuff it.

Amusing.

That's actually precisely what we were talking about. Lying doesn't do your argument any good.

Let's see who's lying, shall we?

I'm not a computer. I can't censor the bit I don't want to see.

Might I suggest you simply mind your business?

They're nude, right in my immediate surrounding. At some point you're going to see some bits. Apparently my eyes merely being hit by photons reflected by their bodies now means I'm intruding on their privacy! That's the extremist ideology I keep talking about from the left.

It's extremist to think you shouldn't mind what other peoples' bodies are like?

As everybody can clearly see, we weren't discussing not minding our own business or minding how other people's bodies look, but how uncomfortable being nude in the same environment as people of the opposite sex can be. I find it very disappointing that you're not only lying, but accusing me of lying to cover yourself. That's a new low for you.

It's precisely that. If you are minding your own business, you aren't glancing at people's genitals and getting all worked up when you see bits missing.

Who said anything about glancing? You're just as bad and dishonest as ponderingturtle, or just as incapable of distinguishing two different things. You're making up stuff no one else has said and then acting as if this is exactly what they said even after they point out and show you that this isn't the case.

Watch so you don't hurt yourself when you get off that high horse.

Ironic coming from someone who's telling me how horrible I am towards my fellow humans.

Your entire argument is based on ideology, such that you can't even formulate a response that isn't either a lie, a misrepresentation, or projection.

 

[Belz...]

The Sun is not the only one reporting that a man gave birth. There is a video where the transman says something like, "Next time someone tells you a man can't have babies, show them this video."

https://youtu.be/cZLqKM7zCls

Ha. Didn't take long to find the example that Uke wanted. Too bad he'll never admit it.

 

[Belz...]

That statement doesn't even make any sense.

It makes quite a bit of sense, but only in light of an ideology that has increasingly worked towards the idea that your feelings are not only the most important thing in the world, but in fact that they trump all objective measures.

 

[HarryHenderson]

...But that's not your argument. Your argument is that they should be free to go to either locker-room.

Because mental illness should be allowed to do anything it wants. Who are you to try to prohibit a 300 pound "man who thinks he's a woman with a penis" from wearing just one piece of a DKNY™ bikini while demanding urinals with mango flavored urinal cakes in all women's restrooms?! Why would you try to stop that? Why? You must hate mental illness trannies America!!!

 

[uke2se]

No, a man did not have a baby. A woman that is taking hormone treatments so that they can become like a man had a baby, they had a womb and an uterus and all the female components that are involved in having a baby.

A trans-man.

That statement doesn't even make any sense.

That's really your problem.

 

[uke2se]

And you answer only one question per thread, is that it?

What?

I answered your question. Did you have another?

Let's see who's lying, shall we?

You were.

As everybody can clearly see, we weren't discussing not minding our own business or minding how other people's bodies look, but how uncomfortable being nude in the same environment as people of the opposite sex can be. I find it very disappointing that you're not only lying, but accusing me of lying to cover yourself. That's a new low for you.

No, we were discussing minding your own business. The clue was in the phrase "minding your own business".

Who said anything about glancing? You're just as bad and dishonest as ponderingturtle,

You are the dishonest one in this exchange.

or just as incapable of distinguishing two different things. You're making up stuff no one else has said and then acting as if this is exactly what they said even after they point out and show you that this isn't the case.

You are projecting.

Ironic coming from someone who's telling me how horrible I am towards my fellow humans.

I am? Where did I say that? Please provide a link. Don't run away this time.

ETA: Actually, don't bother. I'm done with your crap.

Your entire argument is based on ideology, such that you can't even formulate a response that isn't either a lie, a misrepresentation, or projection.

You know absolutely jack **** about my ideology. You think you do, so you are arguing against what you think I believe, but you never even stop to think that maybe, just maybe, you actually don't have a clue.

You are projecting so bad I feel ashamed on your behalf. Bye-bye.

 

[uke2se]

Because mental illness should be allowed to do anything it wants. Who are you to try to prohibit a 300 pound "man who thinks he's a woman with a penis" from wearing just one piece of a DKNY™ bikini while demanding urinals with mango flavored urinal cakes in all women's restrooms?! Why would you try to stop that? Why? You must hate mental illness trannies America!!!

Do you think this is what we're talking about?

 

[sylvan8798]

Because mental illness should be allowed to do anything it wants. Who are you to try to prohibit a 300 pound "man who thinks he's a woman with a penis" from wearing just one piece of a DKNY™ bikini while demanding urinals with mango flavored urinal cakes in all women's restrooms?! Why would you try to stop that? Why? You must hate mental illness trannies America!!!

People with mental illness who are a disruption or a danger to themselves and those around them should be put in mental hospitals.

 

[theprestige]

A trans-man.

Which is to say, a woman who is hoping that modern medicine will help her feel more like what she thinks society is telling her a man should feel; and is kindly asking us to treat her as a man to help complete the illusion.

Of course, HAVING A *********** BABY kind of shatters the illusion, so I don't see how society owes her anything, at this point.

This signature is intended to irradiate people.

 

[applecorped]

Which is to say, a woman who is hoping that modern medicine will help her feel more like what she thinks society is telling her a man should feel; and is kindly asking us to treat her as a man to help complete the illusion.

Of course, HAVING A *********** BABY kind of shatters the illusion, so I don't see how society owes her anything, at this point.

This signature is intended to irradiate people.

This

 

[applecorped]

Will dad be breastfeeding her baby?

 

[johnny karate]

Which is to say, a woman who is hoping that modern medicine will help her feel more like what she thinks society is telling her a man should feel; and is kindly asking us to treat her as a man to help complete the illusion.

Of course, HAVING A *********** BABY kind of shatters the illusion, so I don't see how society owes her anything, at this point.

What is it that you think that he thinks society owes him? Aside from courtesy and respect, I mean.