Transgender man gives birth

[sylvan8798]

But there's more to it. Since we often treat men and women differently, it opens up the possibility of quite a legal mess depending on how you objectively determine whether or not someone is a woman.

The problem is easily solved by not permitting them to exist openly in society.

 

[johnny karate]

WE are the ones that must move the heavens and the earth to cater to these people lest we be called bigots.

It's really hard to take your arguments seriously when you resort to such histrionics.

 

[mumblethrax]

Why is there a fine for calling someone the wrong gender?

There isn't.

 

[Belz...]

The problem is easily solved by not permitting them to exist openly in society.

True but that creates another, potentially greater problem, which is the good old oppression of minorities. I'm sure this dichotomy is false, however.

 

[Belz...]

It's really hard to take your arguments seriously when you resort to such histrionics.

Let's be charitable, here: frustration is no evidence that one has no argument or point.

 

[johnny karate]

Let's be charitable, here: frustration is no evidence that one has no argument or point.

When someone makes the argument that the tolerance of transgender people will force them to learn a list of nonsense pronouns no one is asking them to learn, or that "Heaven and Earth" will need to be moved, we're past the point of reasoned discourse.

I feel no obligation to offer charity in such a situation.

 

[Brainster]

Ok, so you look at the pictures I posted above and tell me what locker-room you would prefer those people to enter. Go through them one by one, please.

I always laugh when your side brings up this argument. I assume you want us to acknowledge that the males who look like women probably should use the women's locker-room and the females who look like men should go to the men's locker-room. And guess what? I don't disagree with that (mostly, assuming they are post-op or keep themselves reasonably covered).

But that's not your argument. Your argument is that they should be free to go to either locker-room.

 

[p0lka]

Why do you care? Serious question.

I care when media makes a headline out of Man gives birth to baby. No, a man did not have a baby.

As for looking at the chromosomes of the pictured people, do you think that would be a resonable request before we let them into the locker room?

I'm perfectly happy with unisex locker rooms, my local swimming pool doesn't have separate male and female changing areas like it used to years ago, it moved on, maybe this locker room crap will move on too.

 

[uke2se]

That's rather weak. Even in this thread it was hinted that it was the determining factor, if not the only important one. Now, you tell me it's simply not irrelevant, but you're being coy about exactly how you define gender.

Oh come off it! You asked me which it was and I answered. If you don't like it, you can stuff it.

First of all, that's not what I said. Second of all, that's not what you said. That's a new record, I have to say: you simultaneously strawmanned me AND youself in a single sentence.

That's actually precisely what we were talking about. Lying doesn't do your argument any good.

"Mind your own business" isn't the same as "not minding what other people's bodies are like", and saying that I can't avoid seeing them, and that it may, hypothetically, make a lot of people uncomfortable, is not saying that I mind what their bodies look like, or that I'm not minding my own business.

It's precisely that. If you are minding your own business, you aren't glancing at people's genitals and getting all worked up when you see bits missing.

In short, your response has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion, but between yourself and other posters here this has become the norm: you respond to a statement by another poster by substituting something entirely made up for what they've said, and then pretend that they are both one and the same.

Watch so you don't hurt yourself when you get off that high horse.

 

[uke2se]

I always laugh when your side brings up this argument. I assume you want us to acknowledge that the males who look like women probably should use the women's locker-room and the females who look like men should go to the men's locker-room. And guess what? I don't disagree with that (mostly, assuming they are post-op or keep themselves reasonably covered).

But that's not your argument. Your argument is that they should be free to go to either locker-room.

Wow. You really shouldn't go into mind-reading, because you failed spectacularly. My argument is that people who argue that trans gendered people should use the "right" locker room would be freaked out if that actually happened, and one of those trans men walked into a women's locker room.

 

[uke2se]

I care when media makes a headline out of Man gives birth to baby. No, a man did not have a baby.

Yes, he did. He's not a biological man, but he's a man.

I'm perfectly happy with unisex locker rooms, my local swimming pool doesn't have separate male and female changing areas like it used to years ago, it moved on, maybe this locker room crap will move on too.

We can only hope.

 

[xjx388]

Yes, he did. He's not a biological man, but he's a man.

What's wrong with using the term transman? That makes it clear and shouldn't be offensive. We can still use the male pronouns and be polite, but we aren't denying reality either.

 

[uke2se]

What's wrong with using the term transman? That makes it clear and shouldn't be offensive. We can still use the male pronouns and be polite, but we aren't denying reality either.

Go right ahead. It's definitely an accurate description of what he is.

 

[xjx388]

Go right ahead. It's definitely an accurate description of what he is.

So then you agree that the headline "Man gives birth to baby" is inaccurate because it's describing a medical miracle? "Transman gives birth to baby," is pretty ordinary even if it's a bit shocking to some sensibilities.

 

[mumblethrax]

So then you agree that the headline "Man gives birth to baby" is inaccurate because it's describing a medical miracle? "Transman gives birth to baby," is pretty ordinary even if it's a bit shocking to some sensibilities.

That whole article is nothing but an idiotic bait-and-switch. That's what you get for reading The Sun.

 

[mike81]

That whole article is nothing but an idiotic bait-and-switch. That's what you get for reading The Sun.

The Sun is not the only one reporting that a man gave birth. There is a video where the transman says something like, "Next time someone tells you a man can't have babies, show them this video."

https://youtu.be/cZLqKM7zCls

 

[mumblethrax]

The Sun is not the only one reporting that a man gave birth. There is a video where the transman say something like, "Next time someone tells you a man can't have babies, show them this video."

Let me just click on your link..."Transgender man gives birth to baby boy."

I see.

 

[mike81]

Let me just click on your link..."Transgender man gives birth to baby boy."

I see.

So what? You seemed to be saying that The Sun was the only one saying a man gave birth. I pointed out that is not true. The transman himself said it.

 

[johnny karate]

I care when media makes a headline out of Man gives birth to baby.

Tabloid journalism must be new to you.

ETA: Actually, reading through the last few posts, it must be new to a lot of people.

 

[johnny karate]

So what? You seemed to be saying that The Sun was the only one saying a man gave birth. I pointed out that is not true. The transman himself said it.

Actually, you said The Sun was not the only one reporting it, and then you provided a link to the Toronto Star not reporting it.