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Transcript of Richard Humenn's AE911Truth Interview

I haven't read the NIST reports yet, no. I'm currently reading the WTC7 report.

I'll save you the trouble.

Conclusion is that if you drop several multi-story, multi-ton chunks of steel from a 110 story building on top of a 47 story building, and allow the resulting fire to rage unchecked for 7+ hours, **** happens.

kthxbai.
 
Don't I know it. My first attempt at plumbing got my house wet, though luckily I was working on water supply rather than waste drainage.

Which is why you should rely on architects.....as my 5 y.o. (wise far beyond his years) said......"dad, you're an architect.....you know everything" :D actually I know just enough about everything to be dangerous.
 
It refers to this statement:



There is no reason to think a cable break high in the tower would effect the lobby. The towers (like all large building) are divided into zones. Each zone is fed and protected individually. Think of it like a large town, if a tree falls and takes down the wires to your house (or even street) the whole town will not loose power.

This is a feed diagram with the cables he's talking about. There are no feeds to the top that effect the lobby.



http://www2.ae911truth.org/WTC1_electricaldrawings.php
The way the towers were zoned debunked the "power down" claim by early troofers as well. The floors supposedly affected by the "power down" had multiple zones per floor and were powered by multiple substations as well. :rolleyes:
 
A "tree" would not be a good visual here, I would suggest a vine to be more appropriate. The main vine stays low and feeders branch out from there.

You could use a "tree" if you want to envision it lying on it's side (with it's branches growing up). :)

I don't think a vine is a good example either, since I do not believe the power branched like that. If I recall correctly, each substation powered one third of each floor for about one third of the floors, and those substations were powered independent of each other.
 
Which is why you should rely on architects.....as my 5 y.o. (wise far beyond his years) said......"dad, you're an architect.....you know everything" :D actually I know just enough about everything to be dangerous.

I will add that I educated myself on how to repair copper supply lines and now do so with good results. I'm not fast but I get it done properly.

Subsequent to my disaster in first time supply line plumbing I also educated myself prior to doing any work on the waste pipes in that first house of mine. That was required as some of the existing waste plumbing was quite obviously done wrong before I got there ( sections sloped the decidedly wrong way) that severely slowed kitchen sink and bathroom drainage.

My four year old granddaughter believes that between her father and me, we either know everything or are clueless about everything. Depends on whether she is in four year old mode, or thirteen year old mode. :)
 
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I don't think a vine is a good example either, since I do not believe the power branched like that. If I recall correctly, each substation powered one third of each floor for about one third of the floors, and those substations were powered independent of each other.
The vine was the best I could think of at the time. :D

For those interested:
Light+PowerRiserDiagram-SublevelNo5-24thFloors
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/electrical/doc/089_2.png

Light+PowerRiserDiagram-25th-58thFloors
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/electrical/doc/090_2.png

Light+PowerRiserDiagram-59th-92ndFloors
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/electrical/doc/091_2.png

Light+PowerRiserDiagram-93rd-110thFloors
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/electrical/doc/096_2.png

You don't sever a cable and have the whole building go out. :rolleyes:
 
I haven't read the NIST reports yet, no. I'm currently reading the WTC7 report.



But if the core columns being weakened by a plane or an engine hitting them, to the extent that wiring within them was disturbed, is a necessary criterion for anyone's model of the initiation of the tower's collapse (I don't know whether it is or not), and there is a way to tell that this happened or didn't happen by observing some other effect, namely the lobby-lights being on or off, then it is an important piece of the puzzle that needs to be clarified. And surely the man who designed and built the lighting system is a sensible person to ask about it?

Disruption of power on those levels however does not depend on columns being badly damaged or severed. The initial heat and blast of the fuel could easily cause power to be lost.
 
There is no reason to think a cable break high in the tower would effect the lobby. The towers (like all large building) are divided into zones. Each zone is fed and protected individually. Think of it like a large town, if a tree falls and takes down the wires to your house (or even street) the whole town will not loose power.

This is a feed diagram with the cables he's talking about. There are no feeds to the top that effect the lobby.



http://www2.ae911truth.org/WTC1_electricaldrawings.php


For those interested:
Light+PowerRiserDiagram-SublevelNo5-24thFloors
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/electrical/doc/089_2.png

Light+PowerRiserDiagram-25th-58thFloors
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/electrical/doc/090_2.png

Light+PowerRiserDiagram-59th-92ndFloors
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/electrical/doc/091_2.png

Light+PowerRiserDiagram-93rd-110thFloors
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/electrical/doc/096_2.png

You don't sever a cable and have the whole building go out. :rolleyes:


This appears to be a (simplified, I guess) version of the same in written form (source: WTC7Lies - WTC Primary and Emergency Electrical Power).

From 1993 NFPA FIRE INVESTIGATION REPORT
World Trade Center Explosion and Fire New York, New York February 26, 1993
Pages 14-18


Primary Electrical System

Consolidated Edison provides 13.8KV electricity to all of the World Trade Center buildings except for the Vista Hotel through a ground level substation located near the Barclay Street (north) entrance/exit to the underground parking garage. Prior to the fire, the peak load provided by the substation servicing the complex was 84 megawatts for all buildings (except the Vista Hotel), the Concourse level, all basement levels and the refrigeration plant. Eight sets of service conductors carry this load from the substation to the complex. Overcurrent relays that disconnect the service conductors are provided at the substation.

Service conductors entering the complex are routed through a concrete encased duct bank which is located below an entrance/exit ramp for the B1 level. Once inside the complex, the duct bank makes a vertical transition from below the entrance/exit ramp to the B1 level ceiling. Still enclosed in concrete, the ceiling-level duct bank enters the service equipment vault, called the primary distribution center (PDC). Once inside the PDC, the service conductors drop into eight switchboards which are grouped into pairs and are separated by gypsum wallboard partitions. Electrical power from the PDC is provided to Towers 1 and 2, Buildings 4 and 5, the Customs House, the Concourse level, and to all basement levels (see Figure 5) by several electrical feeders. These feeders are protected by 1200-ampere circuit breakers with protective relays to disconnect the power when a fault occurs. The feeders for Building 7 are tapped off of the Building 4 feeders; therefore, the substation relays protecting Building 4 also protect the feeders for Building 7.

The PDC-supplied electrical systems are designed so that electrical power to each building served is provided through more than one feeder. The substations for buildings in the complex are designed such that full electrical service will not be interrupted in any building even with the loss of two 13.8-volt electrical service conductors. Though some electrical feeders are routed differently, most are routed in the ceiling/floor assembly between the B1 and B2 levels. As a result of this type of installation, the feeders are encased in concrete over the distance to their respective substations throughout the complex.

For electrical design purposes, Towers 1 and 2 have been subdivided into two vertical sections, i.e., Tower 1 — north and south sides; Tower 2 — east and west sides. Each vertical section is supplied by four electrical substations; one substation in each of the mechanical equipment rooms (MER) on the 7th, 41st, 75th, and 108th floors. Thus, Tower 1 and Tower 2 each have a total of eight electrical substations.

The arrangement of substation equipment is the same in both towers; that is, each substation has four air-cooled transformers. The transformers are rated as 1500KVA, 3 phase, 13.8KV-480/277 volt. Each is provided with a 600-ampere, 15-KV primary, no-load disconnect switch on the primary side and a 2500-ampere circuit breaker on the secondary side.

Four feeders from the PDC supply electricity to each vertical section of the tower. Each feeder supplies electricity to one transformer in each substation within a vertical section. For example, Feeder A1 supplies electricity to one transformer in each substation for the north side of Tower 1. Similarly, Feeder A2 provides electricity to another transformer in the substations on the north side of Tower 1. According to this design scheme, each feeder will supply four transformers.

The main difference in electrical design between the towers is that Tower 2 has two additional feeders. These feeders supply a substation on the 43rd floor. The transformers in this substation are dedicated and provide power to a tenant area.


Emergency Electrical Systems

All buildings in the complex have numerous emergency systems requiring electrical power. These systems include, but are not limited to, emergency lighting in all exit stairways and corridors, public address systems, fire detection and alarm systems, fire pumps, at least one elevator in each elevator bank, fire fighter telephones in the stairways, the communications transmission equipment installed on the antenna on Tower 1, and normal telephone systems.

Many sources of electrical power have been provided for the emergency systems. The primary power supply for emergency systems in the complex is the normal electrical power provided by Consolidated Edison, and this power supply is backed up by several emergency generators located in different areas throughout the complex. Emergency generators installed in the Vista Hotel provide power to the emergency circuits in that building only. Similarly, emergency generators installed in Building 7 provide electrical power to emergency circuits in that building only. New York Telephone provides separate emergency generators dedicated to the normal telephone equipment, telecommunication circuits throughout the complex, and telephone switching equipment for the Manhattan exchange. To ensure that there is no interruption of telephone service during emergencies, New York Telephone also provides batteries to maintain electrical power in the event that the emergency generators fail.

[...]

In addition to the emergency generator backup, Towers 1 and 2 have been provided with an "alternate electrical system" which provides electrical power to some emergency systems. As indicated earlier, Tower 1 and Tower 2 are divided into two vertical electrical zones. Power is provided to areas in these zones by separate feeders. In the event that normal electrical power is interrupted to an area, switching gear will reroute normal electrical power from an unaffected vertical zone to the areas affected by the power outage. (See Figure 6.) The alternate electrical system will provide power to circuits for emergency lighting, fire detection systems, public address systems, fire alarm systems, fire suppression systems supervisory equipment, and communication systems. The alternate electrical system does not provide electrical power to elevator or fire pump motors. Electrical power for these high- load motors is provided by the normal electrical system or by the emergency generators.
 
This appears to be a (simplified, I guess) version of the same in written form (source: WTC7Lies - WTC Primary and Emergency Electrical Power).

A good write up.

What he's claiming is essentially saying a car crash across town that took out a utility pole could not have happened because he still has his lights. It's possible but it is no where near something anyone should base a belief on.

His oversimplification only proves he's created a path to his belief.
 
I haven't read the NIST reports yet, no. I'm currently reading the WTC7 report.



But if the core columns being weakened by a plane or an engine hitting them, to the extent that wiring within them was disturbed, is a necessary criterion for anyone's model of the initiation of the tower's collapse (I don't know whether it is or not), and there is a way to tell that this happened or didn't happen by observing some other effect, namely the lobby-lights being on or off, then it is an important piece of the puzzle that needs to be clarified. And surely the man who designed and built the lighting system is a sensible person to ask about it?

It is a fact impacts and fire caused the collapse of the WTC towers. We can see what happened. There were zero explosives, and this "expert" claims only explosives could do it, as he rants about a "black hole" in the core.

Humenn has no expertise on the WTC, and he lies about the structure.

Did you read your OP? Humenn made many errors about the WTC which render the entire statement delusional, and proves you know nothing about the WTC and 911. You and Humenn lack the knowledge, so you fall for the big lie of CD. You think Humenn is an expert, he is not. You never read NIST, or studied the WTC at a comprehension level to see Humenn is clueless, and he makes up lies about the WTC as he talks; he is a BS artist.
 
Humenn is clueless, and he makes up lies about the WTC as he talks; he is a BS artist.

The more I look at this guy the more I think they're playing him. There are way too many edits in his interview. This is an old guy who is losing it and is being played for who he was.

He's being used by a con man.
 
...His logic is ass-backward and designed to support his belief (although I doubt it's intentional).
I usually call it "arse about" - same thing.

Most if not all truther 'arguments' are arse about. They start at the wrong end. Debunkers often fall for the trap.

In fact given the limited reasoning skill of truthers it is often pragmatic to accept their reversing burden of proof and "whack the moles" of anomalies they present for extermination.

However as soon as possible we should get the logic on proper premises and "right way round".

Tain't always easy....:o :blush:

We still have folks deep down truther rabbit burrows discussing "thermXte" when there was no CD so thermXte is irrelevant.


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The more I look at this guy the more I think they're playing him. There are way too many edits in his interview. This is an old guy who is losing it and is being played for who he was.

He's being used by a con man.
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Agreed 100% A sad manipulation.

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... and the purpose of the floor trusses was simply to support a concrete floor. ...
Does he know he is lying, or is he an idiot on understanding the structure of the WTC? You pick.

Your expert for CD knows nothing about the WTC, one simple phrase makes all his statement BS.

You posted claptrap with no comment.
Did you study the WTC? No? How did you miss comment on major errors by someone fooled by Gage to do a video of woo.

Here is the truth about the trusses, sort of common knowledge.
"The floor trusses added stiffness to the structure. Very lightweight steel trusses spanning sixty feet, connected the exterior columns to the central core, supporting the floors/ceilings. This connection between the floor truss and the exterior column was a very important structural component, resisting wind and buckling forces."
Any comment? Did you read about the WTC yet? You asked for comment.

The WTC is a system, our fake expert Humenn never knew the structure of the WTC. He is a BS artist.

This one lie makes his entire video woo, paranoid nonsense. Why does he lie? How old is he? Is this going to happen to us all; delusions in old age? Making up BS about stuff, with no reference?

Can you find more errors? Comment? Are you fooled by Gage? Yes, you are. You posted BS from Gage, and did not know it.

Save your time, Gage is a fraud on 911 issues.
 
I find it absurd that the senile old geezer expects us to believe that all power could be cut to entire tower by severing the power lines half way to the top. I don't think any build codes on earth would permit such a design. The Fire Marshall would throw it back in the architect's face.
 
I find it absurd that the senile old geezer expects us to believe that all power could be cut to entire tower by severing the power lines half way to the top. I don't think any build codes on earth would permit such a design. The Fire Marshall would throw it back in the architect's face.
Certainly true for any developed country AND all the rapidly developing ones. Utilities zoning esp power is a primary feature of the fire protection scheme.
 
This appears to be a (simplified, I guess) version of the same in written form (source: WTC7Lies - WTC Primary and Emergency Electrical Power).

This excerpt from the quote in your post shows why RH's scenario is impossible:

The PDC-supplied electrical systems are designed so that electrical power to each building served is provided through more than one feeder. The substations for buildings in the complex are designed such that full electrical service will not be interrupted in any building even with the loss of two 13.8-volt electrical service conductors.

Somehow a plane impacting a top floor has to interrupt more than two feeders in the basement.
 
Certainly true for any developed country AND all the rapidly developing ones. Utilities zoning esp power is a primary feature of the fire protection scheme.

Besides they had to keep power to set off all those C4 coated rebars that were 3" on 4' centers. :duck: :boxedin::covereyes
 

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