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Cont: Trans Women are not Women II: The Bath Of Khan

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I read it. Still fantastically stupid. You'd think employers would provide at least a minimum for their employees, male or female.

Yeah, I guess there really were so few women in most workplaces back then that they could get away with it.

It kind of puts a damper on my admiration for fancy, flowing Victorian skirts to learn that they were probably all piss-sodden (joke).
 
Yeah, I guess there really were so few women in most workplaces back then that they could get away with it.

It kind of puts a damper on my admiration for fancy, flowing Victorian skirts to learn that they were probably all piss-sodden (joke).

They did all wear crotchless underwear. To many petticoats to mess around with such things. OF course such dresses were never worn by women who sullied themselves with work.
 
So I disagree with Darat. We are meant to be discussing racism in this thread. In the sense that we're meant to be discussing whatever comparisons we think might inform the central questions of the thread.
Agreed; an analogy mine too rich to pass up. Segregated toilets, platoons, pools, sports leagues, etc. The rationalizations alone are worth pondering.
 
Agreed; an analogy mine too rich to pass up. Segregated toilets, platoons, pools, sports leagues, etc. The rationalizations alone are worth pondering.

And of course the responses to it and when it was right to compromise vs when compromise is just a factor of the bigotry.
 
I read it. Still fantastically stupid. You'd think employers would provide at least a minimum for their employees, male or female.

I have no doubt they did, including for the mill workers mentioned upthread, for example. A lack of public facilities I can accept, and the image of the Victorian lady squatting over the gutter is fairly well know, but caveman1917 seems to have extended the public place reality to the workplace reality, and that's a load of nonsense.
 
I read it. Still fantastically stupid. You'd think employers would provide at least a minimum for their employees, male or female.

I have no doubt they did, including for the mill workers mentioned upthread, for example. A lack of public facilities I can accept, and the image of the Victorian lady squatting over the gutter is fairly well known, but caveman1917 seems to have extended the public place reality to the workplace reality, and that's a load of nonsense.

He also has understated the number of women - and married women - in organised employment in those days, but seems to have missed the rebuttal to his claim.
 
Behold! The unisex changing room of the future...

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ETA: With lockable door! :D
 
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Pity about the US Military not acknowledging transgender any more.

The Pentagon would have no trouble with bathrooms - they could use the ones that used to be blacks-only.
 
Pity about the US Military not acknowledging transgender any more.

On a Navy ship, it would get complicated. The berthing areas where the crew sleeps are very close quarters.
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Typically 3 racks high and 50-100 racks in each compartment. The heads and showers likewise. So if public restrooms are an issue, it would definitely be an issue in the Navy. They can't have their own private room of course, unless they are very high in rank. So they will have to live and share facilities with either male or female sailors.
 
I have no doubt they did, including for the mill workers mentioned upthread, for example. A lack of public facilities I can accept, and the image of the Victorian lady squatting over the gutter is fairly well known, but caveman1917 seems to have extended the public place reality to the workplace reality, and that's a load of nonsense.

On the contrary, I literally acknowledged them using the men's facilities at work:
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At least some would use the men's facilities at the workplace. But outside of that going in the bushes was the way to go if they had to be out for longer than they could hold their bladders.

Indeed, I remember having seen in some feminist history book a very early flyer that was being distributed which demanded women's facilities in the workplace because of peeping tom's problems when they used the men's.

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He also has understated the number of women - and married women - in organised employment in those days, but seems to have missed the rebuttal to his claim.

I didn't miss it, just have nothing to add.
 
Thread continued from here. You may quote from that thread freely in this one.
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Yes, as anyone can read the reference states "The race element was emphasized in order that property-holders could get the support of the majority of white laborers and make it more possible to exploit Negro labor because they just didn't want the black folk to integrate.":rolleyes:



Obviously. The question is why it exists. According to you racism exists because racism exists, according to me it exists because it served a particular purpose for the ruling class.

Racism exists because for most of human history it was a very useful survival trait to be hate-filled at the sight of people who did not look like your people, because usually the next thing they did after seeing you was try to kill you.

Note: this does not mean that it is a good survival trait any longer.
 
Anyone dumb enough to join a navy is way beyond anything I'd care about.

Given signing on for potential death, I imagine where you go potty is pretty secondary anyway.

Wow!

I had no idea that you hated both active duty Navy people and formerly active duty Navy people so very much.
 
Anyone dumb enough to join a navy is way beyond anything I'd care about.

Given signing on for potential death, I imagine where you go potty is pretty secondary anyway.

You're signing up for potential death by doing anything. I see no reason to belittle people willing to put themselves on the line to serve a greater whole.
 
Racism exists because for most of human history it was a very useful survival trait to be hate-filled at the sight of people who did not look like your people, because usually the next thing they did after seeing you was try to kill you.

Ah yes, the well-known achievement of early humans of fast intercontinental travel and the regular meeting of people of different races :rolleyes:
 
Is this posted as a mod or as a member?

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And of course if you're a mod or admin, it probably makes sense to be much more clear about what you mean when you jump into a thread and start declaring stuff off topic.



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I had no idea that you hated both active duty Navy people and formerly active duty Navy people so very much.

Don't hate them at all. Despise is the word you're looking for.

You're signing up for potential death by doing anything. I see no reason to belittle people willing to put themselves on the line to serve a greater whole.

Jeez mate, I hope you had your hand on your heart while hugging the flag when you typed that.

"serve a greater whole"

"bomb innocent civilians"

I choose the latter.
 
Don't hate them at all. Despise is the word you're looking for.



Jeez mate, I hope you had your hand on your heart while hugging the flag when you typed that.

"serve a greater whole"

"bomb innocent civilians"

I choose the latter.

Oil companies are a kind of "greater whole" though.
 
Jeez mate, I hope you had your hand on your heart while hugging the flag when you typed that.

Once again you mistake me for an American. What's your problem with Americans, anyway?

"serve a greater whole"

Yes. Sorry to break it to you, but humans are a social species and very often individual humans do things in what they consider to be in the service of the larger community. It might be alien to you -- hell, it might be alien to me -- but it doesn't change that fact, and you deriding that choice for no other reason that those sentiments can be exploited or twisted for evil deeds sounds like little more than an ideological crusade by you.

"bomb innocent civilians"

I choose the latter.

...you choose to bomb civilians? What?
 
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