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Total Building Collapse from a Single Column Failure

Tony Szamboti said:
The shock wave from the collapse of the east penthouse, from a failure high in the building, was not moving through one solid piece of steel, but a composite structure. So I would not consider the velocity of it abnormal.

There is no chance the east side interior had collapsed low in the building to cause the east penthouse fall without white dust emanating out of windows. That is not happening prior to the east penthouse fall or immediately after. It is only broken windows about 15 stories down with no white dust. This was due to a shock wave originating from above.

You might not realize it but a shock pulse also causes a ring in what it strikes, which can be observed much more than the actual shock wave.
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From which windows? As observed in which videos?
If floor 13 failed, one might expect some visible expulsion of smoke/dust at the 12th floor. Its not necessary though.

As column 79 buckled floors attached to it would fail proximate to the column. Air being pushed by floors failing will be moving down. There is already a hole below any failing floor so air will continue to move down. At this point its a small area of floor that is failing.

In the towers whole sections of floor pans were coming down and yet only a few "squibs" were seen.
 
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jaydeehess said:
From which windows? As observed in which videos?
If floor 13 failed, one might expect some visible expulsion of smoke/dust at the 12th floor. Its not necessary though.

As column 79 buckled floors attached to it would fail proximate to the column. Air being pushed by floors failing will be moving down. There is already a hole below any failing floor so air will continue to move down. At this point its a small area of floor that is failing.

In the towers whole sections of floor pans were coming down and yet only a few "squibs" were seen.
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It is unrealistic to not expect floors crashing down on one another in the full east side interior of WTC 7 to not be very evident on the exterior via deformation of the exterior and broken windows with white dust emanating from them. This is not observed when the east penthouse comes down, because it was really a separate and distinct event high in the building and the broken windows it caused where in fact due to the shock pulse from above. No dust is seen coming out of those broken windows because the floors had not failed on them.

The notion that the east penthouse vertical kink is indicative of a column 79 failure low in the building and an east side interior collapse is a non-sequitur. The east penthouse vertical kink would also be caused by a column 79 failure high in the building and it appears that is what happened due to the lack of other evidence for a full east side interior collapse.
 
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DGM said:
But, it's realistic to believe arsonists had to be sent in because this building couldn't have caught fire any other way?

:rolleyes:
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I think all the dust was intentional, it was to hide arsonists and the explosives demolition teams. Why else would they make the buildings turn to dust. The dust from building 7 gave them just enough time to remove all the explosives evidence without being seen. :rolleyes:
 
Tony Szamboti said:
The shock wave from the collapse of the east penthouse, from a failure high in the building, was not moving through one solid piece of steel, but a composite structure with a lot of joints. So I would not consider the velocity of the reflection observed to be abnormal.

There is no chance the east side interior had collapsed low in the building to cause the east penthouse fall without white dust emanating out of windows. That is not happening prior to the east penthouse fall or immediately after. It is only broken windows about 15 stories down with no white dust. This was due to a shock wave originating from above.

You might not realize it but a shock pulse also causes a ring in what it strikes, which can be observed much more than the actual shock wave.
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Why the hell would there be a shock wave??

:crazy:
 
NoahFence said:
Why the hell would there be a shock wave??
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The penthouse would have dropped down a couple of floors and there would have been a significant impact on those floors. That is the reason for what is obviously a shock wave moving from top down on the east side when the east penthouse goes down.
 
I suppose I'll have to take note that "squibs" = suspicious and "no squibs" = suspicious. I guess you have to have your bases covered somewhere to imply some mysterious conclusion that you're seemingly unable to produce.
 
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Grizzly Bear said:
I suppose I'll have to take note that "squibs" = suspicious and "no squibs" = suspicious. I guess you have to have your bases covered somewhere to imply some mysterious conclusion that you're seemingly unable to produce.
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Tony must have missed my mention of "squibs" earlier.

When the towers experienced full floor failure they would have pushed an entire level's volume of air. There were few avenues of escape for that air. It blew dust and light office contents out if the building. It produced a few jets of dust and air below the visible collapse front. This was floor failure on a massive scale and yet only in a few instances was the air ejection itself able to break a window and send s jet of dust out.

WTC7 saw a relatively small area of floor failures in a building with a huge opening on one side. The missing dust and window breakage is as compelling as the tower's supposed missing jolts.


Once the col 79 failure affects the roof EPH, all the heavy machinery there will spill down into the building. Some will fall straight down the hole along side col79 but some will impact floor area still hanging on and widen the damage. This will progress down the structure. NOW you have increasing floor damage approaching the facade so now you have and this is reflected in movement of windows.
 
NoahFence said:
There were no explosives though. Tony taught us that. It was arson.

:confused:
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No. They were just the really quiet type. They had to rig the building. The fires were just a diversion. The arson was needed so everyone would think the building just caught fire and failed. It's another layer in the madness.

Try to keep up! :boxedin:
 
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DGM said:
No. They were just the really quiet type. They had to rig the building. The fires were just a diversion. The arson was needed so everyone would think the building just caught fire and failed. It's another layer in the madness.

Try to keep up! :boxedin:
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For crying out loud...

OK

4 Planes were hijacked, 2 of which crashed into the trade towers in the worst terrorist attack in US history. Got it.

A person or persons (Larry Silverstein?) watched in glee as the towers burned and ultimately collapsed, giving him the opportunity he or she has been looking for for X number of years to destroy WTC 7. Glee turned to horror when mystery man saw that massive chunks of a 110 story building weren't enough to get rid of the incriminating paperwork housed in WTC 7, as it was still standing after the dust from the separate terrorist attack settled.

SO

That person or persons (A Jew no doubt) either went into WTC 7 or ordered the fire department (what was left of it) to go into WTC 7 and burn it until it collapsed. Despite the fact that firefighters and other first responders and reporters and civilians blanketed the site as well as news choppers and police helicopters, the individual or individuals were able to enter WTC 7 undetected with a book of matches.

Sound about right, Tony?
 
NoahFence said:
SO

That person or persons (A Jew no doubt) either went into WTC 7 or ordered the fire department (what was left of it) to go into WTC 7 and burn it until it collapsed. Despite the fact that firefighters and other first responders and reporters and civilians blanketed the site as well as news choppers and police helicopters, the individual or individuals were able to enter WTC 7 undetected with a book of matches.

Sound about right, Tony?
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I don't think Tony is an antisemitic. In fact, I'm sure he's not.

You don't need to add that layer to this argument.
 
jaydeehess said:
Tony must have missed my mention of "squibs" earlier.

When the towers experienced full floor failure they would have pushed an entire level's volume of air. There were few avenues of escape for that air. It blew dust and light office contents out if the building. It produced a few jets of dust and air below the visible collapse front. This was floor failure on a massive scale and yet only in a few instances was the air ejection itself able to break a window and send s jet of dust out.

WTC7 saw a relatively small area of floor failures in a building with a huge opening on one side. The missing dust and window breakage is as compelling as the tower's supposed missing jolts.


Once the col 79 failure affects the roof EPH, all the heavy machinery there will spill down into the building. Some will fall straight down the hole along side col79 but some will impact floor area still hanging on and widen the damage. This will progress down the structure. NOW you have increasing floor damage approaching the facade so now you have and this is reflected in movement of windows.
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I don't know to what extent the damage affected the visibility of debris ejecta or otherwise but I stand by my usual stance that it's a relatively moot point to get into that level of detail unless it has a purpose, and here I don't think it will because Tony's focusing on other things. It's not to say that this isn't one possible scenario or anything, just that it'll never lead anywhere in the argument. I've posted plenty of responses throughout the thread but I haven't spent more than a few minutes at most on each one because the arguments I've been dealing with (I.E. "arson in wtc 7") have no proof and thus no dignity for a response. And after seeing this sort of history dating back several years already I've pretty much determined that there won't be any progress. This is like a politics debate, no matter how much you explain the issue, the subject of the debate is never going to yield from his position.
 
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NoahFence said:
Why the hell would there be a shock wave??

:crazy:
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It was a shock and awe wave and it radiated out from the towers affecting the hearts and minds of all* Americans so they could not recognize the Plain Truth.

*except for those superior godlike truthers.
 
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