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Top-Down Demolition

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westprog said:
This is actually a very interesting post. I think that for all the convolutions and fake analysis and verbiage, that picture is why CT thinking arises.

I'd like to make a recommendation to Rebel. The formula for potential energy is a very simple one. Using publicly available information, such as the height and weight of the WTC towers, it is possible to figure out the amount of energy released when the towers fell. Don't ask any of the paid government shills on this forum to help work it out - but to be fair, don't ask the open minded seekers of truth either. If you need help, (say with issues like where the centre of gravity of the WTC is) then there are physics forums out there.

When the amount of energy has been calculated in some readily comprehensible form - say, ounces of TNT detonated - then take another look at the picture above, and give a considered opinion.
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WestProg. At what floor had the
collapse progressed to at the instant that photo was taken? Rebel would need to know this or his observation of the photo after his calculations would be pointless.
 
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it is true that no demolition experts are familiar with the imaginary concept "Top-down demolition." As I pointed out in an earlier post, shark fishermen are similarly unfamiliar with the use of tennis rackets to kill Great Whites.
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I blatantly stole this comparison for my signature. That's classic, Ron.
 
uk_dave, I know what you mean. You mean it's an utter improbable collapse but a CD is even more improbable. It was like the sky was Green one day officially. Forgive me I cannot eat it...
 
pomeroo said:
The kid who calls himself "stallion" (now, don't get Freudian with me) has invoked the name of another woowoo expert. After twenty-five pages of fruitless Googling, I'm bored (Hmmm. Fruit-filled Googles, the breakfast of morons--has a nice ring). Am I really dumb enough to take these ridiculous frauds seriously?

Anyway, has anyone ever heard of this clown? I can't find him. Notice that like so many icons of the America-hating loons, he is a MILITARY man (natch!). I note that our elusive expert claims to have seen explosions on "lower floors" of the Twin Towers. I suppose that proves it was a top-down demolition. Aarrgh!

Stallion-4 writes:
"There's also at least one other demo expert that has gone on record to say a top-down demolition of the towers was possible. His name is Mark Johnson, a former military explosives/demolition expert from Philadelphia. He's on record saying, ""I was trained to implode buildings, blow out bridges as well as being trained extensively in explosive booby traps of all kinds... From day one on Sept. 11th, after seeing the footage of the airliner striking the WTC on CNN and seeing explosions happening on lower floors of both towers, I knew right then and there that the towers were purposely being imploded".
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http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:TE4E97iTau0J:www.arcticbeacon.citymaker.com/articles/article/1518131/28367.htm+I+was+trained+to+implode+buildings,+blow+out+bridges+as+well+as+being+trained+extensively+in+explosive+booby+traps+of+all+kinds%22&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1
http://www.arcticbeacon.com/30-Jun-2005.html

more details to follow

ETA: Oh, here's a shocker: http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/9-11_conspiracy.html (check the author of the article)
 
pomeroo said:
The kid who calls himself "stallion" (now, don't get Freudian with me) has invoked the name of another woowoo expert. After twenty-five pages of fruitless Googling, I'm bored (Hmmm. Fruit-filled Googles, the breakfast of morons--has a nice ring). Am I really dumb enough to take these ridiculous frauds seriously?

Anyway, has anyone ever heard of this clown? I can't find him. Notice that like so many icons of the America-hating loons, he is a MILITARY man (natch!). I note that our elusive expert claims to have seen explosions on "lower floors" of the Twin Towers. I suppose that proves it was a top-down demolition. Aarrgh!

Stallion-4 writes:
"There's also at least one other demo expert that has gone on record to say a top-down demolition of the towers was possible. His name is Mark Johnson, a former military explosives/demolition expert from Philadelphia. He's on record saying, ""I was trained to implode buildings, blow out bridges as well as being trained extensively in explosive booby traps of all kinds... From day one on Sept. 11th, after seeing the footage of the airliner striking the WTC on CNN and seeing explosions happening on lower floors of both towers, I knew right then and there that the towers were purposely being imploded".
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He a folk singer who was in the army in the 70s. I sourced the quote you were given:

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/30-Jun-2005.html
mirrored here: http://www.arcticbeacon.citymaker.com/articles/article/1518131/28367.htm

I don't think that blowing stuff up in the army 30 years ago makes you a demolition expert.

His website is here:

http://www.rhythmsreason.com/

ETA: and the song they're talking about in the arctic beacon is staggeringly bad:

http://www.rhythmsreason.com/music/mark_johnson_let_the_protesting_begin.mp3

Looks like delusion is big part of his life.
 
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pomeroo said:
The kid who calls himself "stallion" (now, don't get Freudian with me) has invoked the name of another woowoo expert. After twenty-five pages of fruitless Googling, I'm bored (Hmmm. Fruit-filled Googles, the breakfast of morons--has a nice ring). Am I really dumb enough to take these ridiculous frauds seriously?

Anyway, has anyone ever heard of this clown? I can't find him. Notice that like so many icons of the America-hating loons, he is a MILITARY man (natch!).

Stallion-4 writes:
"There's also at least one other demo expert that has gone on record to say a top-down demolition of the towers was possible. His name is Mark Johnson, a former military explosives/demolition expert from Philadelphia. He's on record saying, ""I was trained to implode buildings, blow out bridges as well as being trained extensively in explosive booby traps of all kinds... From day one on Sept. 11th, after seeing the footage of the airliner striking the WTC on CNN and seeing explosions happening on lower floors of both towers, I knew right then and there that the towers were purposely being imploded".
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Hey, I'm a military man also. How come I don't get any love from the woo-woos? Oh, yeah, I make fun of them.

So, do we know what he claims is true? Anyone seen his DD-214 to verify this? It's not like there haven't been others claiming to be "military experts" who've never been anywhere near a uniform.
 
pomeroo said:
The kid who calls himself "stallion" (now, don't get Freudian with me) has invoked the name of another woowoo expert. After twenty-five pages of fruitless Googling, I'm bored (Hmmm. Fruit-filled Googles, the breakfast of morons--has a nice ring). Am I really dumb enough to take these ridiculous frauds seriously?

Anyway, has anyone ever heard of this clown? I can't find him. Notice that like so many icons of the America-hating loons, he is a MILITARY man (natch!). I note that our elusive expert claims to have seen explosions on "lower floors" of the Twin Towers. I suppose that proves it was a top-down demolition. Aarrgh!

Stallion-4 writes:
"There's also at least one other demo expert that has gone on record to say a top-down demolition of the towers was possible. His name is Mark Johnson, a former military explosives/demolition expert from Philadelphia. He's on record saying, ""I was trained to implode buildings, blow out bridges as well as being trained extensively in explosive booby traps of all kinds... From day one on Sept. 11th, after seeing the footage of the airliner striking the WTC on CNN and seeing explosions happening on lower floors of both towers, I knew right then and there that the towers were purposely being imploded".
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Not really an expert, this Mark Johnson. :)

Former Army Sgt. Mark Johnson of Philadelphia is finished blowing up buildings and bridges, finished with the ugly work of a military demolitions expert.

Instead of setting trip wires and booby traps, Johnson now "blows out" neo con protest songs with his guitar, synthesizer and raspy Bob Dylan-like voice.

Trained by Army Special Forces for jungle warfare in Panama during the 1970s, the message in Johnson's music is every bit as hard-hitting as his "explosive past."

Arctic Beacon
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His "evidence" is essentially William Rodriguez testimony and ... common sense.

Here is website. Maybe you will like is music. ;)

ETA: wow, you have to be quick on this forum.
 
einsteen said:
uk_dave, I know what you mean. You mean it's an utter improbable collapse but a CD is even more improbable. It was like the sky was Green one day officially. Forgive me I cannot eat it...
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That's because you clearly didn't understand what he actually said.

Damage to WTC7: fact, photographed
Leaning WTC7: evidence, corroborated by numerous firefighters on the scene
Heavy fire in WTC7: fact, large amounts of smoke photographed along the entire height of the building, as well as corroborated by numerous firefighters on the scene that day
 
pomeroo said:
Stallion-4 writes:
"There's also at least one other demo expert that has gone on record to say a top-down demolition of the towers was possible. His name is Mark Johnson, a former military explosives/demolition expert from Philadelphia. He's on record saying, ""I was trained to implode buildings, blow out bridges as well as being trained extensively in explosive booby traps of all kinds... From day one on Sept. 11th, after seeing the footage of the airliner striking the WTC on CNN and seeing explosions happening on lower floors of both towers, I knew right then and there that the towers were purposely being imploded".
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Of course it is possible to perform a top-down demolition of a building. Like I explained on the previous page, all you would have to do is detonate enough explosives to frag all the columns on, say, the 80th floor of a WTC tower, and it would collapse in a matter somewhat similar to what we saw.

But like I also explained, it didn't happen. We are not arguing whether or not someone could figure out how to take them down in a similar fashion, but with using explosives. Heck, think about it long enough, and we might even figure out how to topple them over sideways. What's at issue is what did happen, according to the evidence.

Stallion-4's comment is, therefore, totally irrelevant.
 
R.Mackey said:
Of course it is possible to perform a top-down demolition of a building. Like I explained on the previous page, all you would have to do is detonate enough explosives to frag all the columns on, say, the 80th floor of a WTC tower, and it would collapse in a matter somewhat similar to what we saw.

But like I also explained, it didn't happen. We are not arguing whether or not someone could figure out how to take them down in a similar fashion, but with using explosives. Heck, think about it long enough, and we might even figure out how to topple them over sideways. What's at issue is what did happen, according to the evidence.

Stallion-4's comment is, therefore, totally irrelevant.
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A point to add to this, is that though it is possible to do, I have seen no record of there ever being a planned "top down" demolition before, so to take the conspiracy one step further, the evildoers would have to have taken all this risk to demolish the buildings in a way that was never tried before, and run the risk of it failing, or being discovered.

TAM
 
T.A.M. said:
A point to add to this, is that though it is possible to do, I have seen no record of there ever being a planned "top down" demolition before, so to take the conspiracy one step further, the evildoers would have to have taken all this risk to demolish the buildings in a way that was never tried before, and run the risk of it failing, or being discovered.

TAM
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I think we should ask one of the CD companies to actually try it someday. We'd need a big tower that's fairly isolated from surrounding buildings, so as to avoid the sort of collateral damage we saw at the WTC complex, but it would be an interesting exercise. Anyone know any candidate buldings?

Not that they'd ever agree to it......

We really need an eccentric billionaire to fund some experiments for us!
 
T.A.M. said:
A point to add to this, is that though it is possible to do, I have seen no record of there ever being a planned "top down" demolition before, so to take the conspiracy one step further, the evildoers would have to have taken all this risk to demolish the buildings in a way that was never tried before, and run the risk of it failing, or being discovered.

TAM
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Just to add to this, the bombers were using this totally untested method for the first time on some of the largest buildings on the world - each of which was 3 times larger than the largest CD'ed building ever.

So, not only was this method untested and unused, but it's first use was on 2 huge buildings - logic dictates that one would test it out on small building first, but then again Twoofers aren't very logical...
 
Horatius said:
I think we should ask one of the CD companies to actually try it someday. We'd need a big tower that's fairly isolated from surrounding buildings, so as to avoid the sort of collateral damage we saw at the WTC complex, but it would be an interesting exercise. Anyone know any candidate buldings?

Not that they'd ever agree to it......

We really need an eccentric billionaire to fund some experiments for us!
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I'm fairly certain its possible to demo a building from the top down and it would look very similar to the towers (only there would be explosions and flashes present from the charges going off) . The problem as I see it is that it would throw debris in a wide radius just like the towers did. Damaging numerous surrounding buildings is not exactly the way to run a successful and profitable demo company. So instead they start from the bottom up and allow the building to break itself up much closer to the ground even at ground level rather than 1000 feet above ground.
 
Well if I were an evil Moloch worshiping Neocon who wanted to bring down the WTCs, here is what I would do...

Rig the buildings with conventional explosives. Then set up the terrorist patsies to look like they were the ones who rigged the buildings. Then simply have them come down in a standard CD. You get your carnage, your patsies, and your same end result...with alot less loose ends to cover...

But, thank goodness, I am not an evil Moloch worshiping Neocon.

TAM
 
rebel said:
Thats a two way road.

I have already had my posts reported several times. I shall now report people. By the way, welcome to ignore.
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Who does that sound like who just recently quit? I'll give you a hint i think that's the 28th time I've heard it.
 
rebel said:
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I hate it when that picture is used. In fact there is a common one used at the conspiracy sites that taken alone does look as if there is an upward explosion but if you watch the video it is obviously mainly smoke that had been left behind and sucked down by the collapse.But unfortunately people see it and are mislead by the so called truth seekers.

Here is a page with the picture that upsets me next to a nuclear explosion
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/finn/5/soldier5.htm

While some use of this picture may be innocent ignorance I believe many times they clearly know this doesn't show what they claim. IT'S RIDICULOUS THAT MANY ARE CALLED TRUTHERS
 
Skibum said:
I'm fairly certain its possible to demo a building from the top down and it would look very similar to the towers (only there would be explosions and flashes present from the charges going off) . The problem as I see it is that it would throw debris in a wide radius just like the towers did. Damaging numerous surrounding buildings is not exactly the way to run a successful and profitable demo company.
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You'd have problems before that even... You'd have to set off the charges faster than the debris could fall and potentially damage them (directly, or by severing the primer cord), otherwise things really go wrong...
 
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