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Too liberal?

makaya325 said:
Would Obama be considered a total Liberal?
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Depends on who you ask, and how you choose to define "liberal" in this country. I'd say no...because he, too, holds marriage in a strictly religious definition and basically pandered by alluding to support of gay marriage. I think he intentionally misled on that particular issue, and in this country, I think a "total liberal" would support marriage as a civil right, not dependent on gender. On the other hand, I support marriage as a civil right since government makes it a legal status that affords some benefits, but I'm NOT a "total liberal" by any stretch of the imagination.

It kind of comes down to fighting over words and meanings. I don't think anyone is a "total liberal" or a "total conservative" unless they are mentally deranged/delusional. Just my opinion.
 
brodski said:
By whom? In most of Europe Obama would be considered conservative.
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Darat said:
And a right wing conservative at that.
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It's irrelevant what other people think of him. No doubt there are more liberal societies and cultures that think of him as not being liberal enough. Is that supposed to make him more palatable? Is that supposed to mean anything at all? Why should we care?

What matters is what he does, not labels.
 
Whiplash said:
It's irrelevant what other people think of him. No doubt there are more liberal societies and cultures that think of him as not being liberal enough. Is that supposed to make him more palatable? Is that supposed to mean anything at all? Why should we care?

What matters is what he does, not labels.
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You may have missed the topic of this thread - which is about these very labels....
 
Some "liberal" at school had posted stickers everywhere crying wage work as slavery.
Although I'd like to agree, I can't get myself to advocate abolishing the wage system, quite yet.

I suppose PETA and ALF are "liberal", and I'm hardly a member of each, although I could see certain legal rights bestowed upon some primate species.

And I would say Obama is borderline liberal right now. Pretty much a centrist based on his actions so far.
 
daenku32 said:
I suppose PETA and ALF are "liberal", and I'm hardly a member of each, although I could see certain legal rights bestowed upon some primate species.
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This is where I think the word "liberal" has lost any real meaning. Of course, PETA is associated with liberals, and would be described as such, but if I pick up a dictionary and look up the word "liberal", nothing in the dictionary describes anything that is in any way associated with PETA's agenda.
 
I have friends who I think are too liberal and some that I think are too conservative.

I define one that is too liberal in this way.

In opinion - He openly advocate communism as the ideal society.
In Behavior - He refuses to hear any criticism of his opinions

I define one that is too conservative in this way.

In opinion - He takes trickle down economics as the biblical truth
In Behavior - He refuses to hear any criticism of his opinions
 
brodski said:
Right-of-center I think, not a full on right-winger.
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A person whose solution to health care is buying insurance for everyone who can't afford to buy health care? Not even the furthest far right politician in Norway would dream up such a thing. And how about his views on marriage? I'm putting him on the far right when it comes to European politics.
 
Biscuit said:
I define one that is too liberal in this way.

In opinion - He openly advocate communism as the ideal society.
In Behavior - He refuses to hear any criticism of his opinions
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That's the weirdest definition of liberal I've ever heard. Look up the dictionary definition, liberalism and communism are totally different and even opposing political views.

Biscuit said:
I define one that is too conservative in this way.

In opinion - He takes trickle down economics as the biblical truth
In Behavior - He refuses to hear any criticism of his opinions
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That's also a weird definition.
 
wufwugy said:
No you cannot care too much about liberty and equality
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In my humble opinion, a true liberal cares about the first of that pair, while the modern left wing cares mostly about the second of that pair.
 
ALF drops off the scale of rational political discussion. PETA is sort of within shouting distance of reality, and probably comes closest to beign a liberal organization. If the right wing wants us to own PETA and ALF, they will have to take National Vanguard.

Obama is disappointingly centrist, so far, and not going all-out to restore the damage that the Shrub did to the New Deal institutions and infrastructure.
 
Meadmaker said:
In my humble opinion, a true liberal cares about the first of that pair, while the modern left wing cares mostly about the second of that pair.
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Two sides of the same coin

Liberty is also equality because if it's not equality for all, it's not liberty for somebody.
 
"Too liberal" would describe the situation should the agenda of an organization like NAAFA be successfully legislated.

Of course they present it as an issue of "equality", but it's not exactly "equitable" when you pay for one airline ticket and take up half of the seat next to you even though it's already occupied.

Liberalism too often has the potential to go "off the rails" while operating with the best of intentions. In these cases it penalizes the average person who generally does the right thing and takes care of themselves,in order to benefit the dregs of society, while wrapping itself in the cloak of "Social Justice".

There's so much barely-suppressed rage here at a group of people who simply prefer to solve their own problems as individuals for the most part. It's hilarious. How dare us evil libertarians expect people to live their own lives without greatly imposing on others!?
 
Phrost said:
"Too liberal" would describe the situation should the agenda of an organization like NAAFA be successfully legislated.

Of course they present it as an issue of "equality", but it's not exactly "equitable" when you pay for one airline ticket and take up half of the seat next to you even though it's already occupied.

Liberalism too often has the potential to go "off the rails" while operating with the best of intentions. In these cases it penalizes the average person who generally does the right thing and takes care of themselves,in order to benefit the dregs of society, while wrapping itself in the cloak of "Social Justice".

There's so much barely-suppressed rage here at a group of people who simply prefer to solve their own problems as individuals for the most part. It's hilarious. How dare us evil libertarians expect people to live their own lives without greatly imposing on others!?
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It's not a matter of how dare you expect it, but one of how on Earth can you think that expectation is realistic.
 
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