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Tom Cruise again

Bah. Steriods can improve peoples performance, just like some drugs might prolong concentration. Or you can use drugs to feel better, kind of like people use alcohol or illegal drugs, but didn't they teach you in elementary school that drugs don't do anything actually real for you other than make you feel good at that moment. THey can't improve your life, unless they are performance enhancing. That's how you can even get dependant on drugs and even need them everyday, if not addicted.

Geez, I saw a show where everyone was saying, no don't get plastic surgery you need to learn to feel good about yourself instead. And then, why are steriods cheating in sports but aderol is okay for school type work or office type work? If you need steriods, aderol, or whatever, maybe you're in the wrong field and trying to do the wrong things. Plastic sugery makes people envious, but if you take drugs great. We want you taking drugs, not looking better than us!

I don't know, this just seems to me, like when they were saying Marilyn Manson is evil and a bad influence for kids. THere's war in Iraq and it seems to be going to ****, major countries in the world are living on borrowed time, and the environment is severly hurt at this point, but Tom Cruise is a bad guy, I just don't know about that.

Natural performance, how you are born is most fair for everyone as a whole in the end.

Actually, I've heard of business people who used cocaine or pills to make them be better presenters at their business meetings!

I also read somewhere on a site when all these drugs are eliminated out of the body they then pollute the environment.

If one kid gets put on ritalin who shouldn;t have been , it is of course the fault of the prescriber, but also just as much happened because of people who buy these drugs, as well as the creator of it and the society.

If you think you need drugs to have babies, just remember, there are some women who can't have babies!
 
Scientology is one of those things I never got. They used to pester me after my brother went to one of those "psychic fairs" where they give you a "personality test" and gave them my name and address instead of his.

I used to get about 4 mails a week from them to buy their book. They stopped after I used their prepaid envelopes to send them bricks.

Not bad for a bad SF writer with delusions of grandeur. Isn't this how Waco got started?

Any organisation that advocates the withholding of medical treatment is should be made liable for the death or degeneration of whoever follows it's advice.

I believe in religious terms, it's known as "reap what you sow"
 
sodium20 said:
is there no limit to this mans crap ?
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There will be. I don't believe in things like Hubris, etc, but I do believe that the public will only take so much before there's a backlash. He's got two things working against him: both the studios and his Church will reign him in when (not "if") he becomes too much of an embarrassment.
 
Just had the pleasure of watching this on our local TV news.

Nutbag of the year? Mr Cruise gets my vote.

Brooke Shields-she de woman!!

All jokes aside, I reckon the potential for a Waco or Jonestown with the scientologists is a real possibility,especially with TC giving them a heap of free publicity.

I shudder to think...
 
Morris Cod said:
All jokes aside, I reckon the potential for a Waco or Jonestown with the scientologists is a real possibility...
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I disagree. The Church of Scientology is an institution, and institutions don't generally commit suicide. For one thing, the followers have a loyalty to the "corporation," not to an individual (although it does start getting muddy when an individual, like Cruise, has a body of followers seperate from his church). I think of it more like the Mafia than I do Heaven's Gate. The Church has more to lose than to gain with a Jonestown or Waco, and they'll rein in Cruise before he goes too far.
 
Beady said:
...they'll rein in Cruise before he goes too far.
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I don't know...they haven't been doing a very good job so far. :)

Though I do agree (it that's what we're talking about here) that scientology (as an organization) won't suffer as much as Tom will personally.

A couple of things I've noticed over the last few days...

It seems as though Tom's "high profile" scientology buddies (ie, other actors involved with scientology) have not come to his defense. Why hasn't John Travolta or any of the "others" stated that "Tom is right about this stuff". They just seem satisfied to let him "go it on his own".

And yesterday, on one of those cable news shows, they had their "live" segment from the street with about 20 to 30 audience members. They were asked to show (by applause) if they were going to see War of the Worlds when it was released...

Not a single person clapped!!!

I think it's too late for Tom...he's ruined himself, and he's the only one who doesn't know it!
 
mailing bricks! LOL

I dunno, RAF, I plan on seeing the movie anyway - it looks good. But yeah, my enthusiasm for it has suffered from the TC shenanigans.

I loved your 'mailing bricks' bit, Vbloke! Also like the quotes you have in your sig. Would you mind telling me who made these quotes? I only recognized one of 'em.
 
vbloke said:
Scientology is one of those things I never got. They used to pester me after my brother went to one of those "psychic fairs" where they give you a "personality test" and gave them my name and address instead of his.

I used to get about 4 mails a week from them to buy their book. They stopped after I used their prepaid envelopes to send them bricks.
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Ah, I see you've read Abbie Hoffman. :)
 
Matt should've squirted Tommy boy with water the moment Tommy started on his anti-science rant.
 
Beady said:
I disagree. The Church of Scientology is an institution, and institutions don't generally commit suicide.
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To be honest I don't know a whole lot about scientology. But my fiancee has read several of L. Ron Hubbard's books (about Scientology, not SF stories....Or is it the same? :P ) but, please correct me if I am wrong, didn't L. Ron Hubbard commit suicide? And that his suicide was treated as purposely "departing" and this action is not frowned upon by the followers but treated as a good thing?


Plz correct me if I am wrong :)
 
I think you are somewhat correct, Penguin. However, I think that the top profiteers of scientology don't actually believe or follow the rules and tenets of scientology. They don't want scientology to die because that's their bank roll at stake.
 
(about Scientology, not SF stories....Or is it the same? :P )
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Scientology is science-fiction, mixed with old psychoanalysis dogmas and bits of common sense (enough to make it sound good).


but, please correct me if I am wrong, didn't L. Ron Hubbard commit suicide?
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He was basically ill and without medical treatment... instead he kept getting audited. In the end, he believed in his own delusions. He was also a very deranged man.

It's really hard to say what exactly happened, since Hubbard was living isolated with a close retinue of slavish followers and servants. I imagine that suicide is a possibility. Ex-Scienos who were high up could probably answer that better.


And that his suicide was treated as purposely "departing" and this action is not frowned upon by the followers but treated as a good thing?
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That is correct. Scieno doctrine states that at death the thetan is released and goes through a Between-Deaths realm, unless one can already escape one's body. Since Hubbard claimed he could leave his body at will and explore space, Scienos believe that Hubbard is busy spreading Scientology doctrine in other areas. Scieno doctrine is rich in alien species, interstellar wars, and so on.

Read "History of Man" for a good laugh. The book describes what Scienos believe is an ancient war between humanoids and thetans. It's really unbelievable stuff.
 
Video and transcript of the interview here.

Illustrated transcript here. :D :D :D
(Caution: might not be work-safe if you're prone to laughing out loud.)
 
vbloke said:
(...) I used to get about 4 mails a week from them to buy their book. They stopped after I used their prepaid envelopes to send them bricks. (...)
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Excellent idea in principle. Does anybody know what actually happens to an overweight prepaid envelopes? I would imagine that the addressee would have to pay. Of course, in order for this to work, you have to include your name with the brick. What are the odds of, say, a credit card company sending you this bill if you try the trick with them?

And what does "preselected" mean, anyway? I have almost no credit history, since I just recently moved to the USA. My bank doesn't even know my social security number and I know for a fact that I could not get a _good_ deal on a credit card, but still I am "preselected" about once a week...

Ririon
 
....oh, and mr. Cruise needs to start taking his medication... ;)

Ririon
 
I just watched the segment. Cruise is good at telling Lauer that he is wrong, that Shields is wrong, that Ritalin is a street drug (nice manipulation), that psychiatry is a pseudoscience, etc, etc.

But he never says exactly why. He says that he has studied, and that other people - Lauer in particular - should study too, before they have a right to speak about this. But he doesn't say what should be studied. And he never says directly that his solution - Scientology - is the only answer (although Lauer tries to get him to spill the beans).

Cruise is spreading FUD, in order to get people to join Scientology.
 
thaiboxerken said:
I think you are somewhat correct, Penguin. However, I think that the top profiteers of scientology don't actually believe or follow the rules and tenets of scientology. They don't want scientology to die because that's their bank roll at stake.
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Exactly right. Unlike Koresh, Jim Jones, or Heaven's Gate which were true cults, with Scientology (not that I'm saying it's not a cult), it's all about the money. And of course control, but the sole purpose for controlling its members is to ensure the flow of money. It's unlikely that the people at the top of the organization believe any of its "teachings" any more than any of us here. Money is first and foremost. Scientology is possibly the largest and most widespread scam ever.

As for Cruise, it seems he recently fired his publicist who used to advise him to lay low on the Scientology thing, which was probably good advice, but now Cruise is flying solo as far as making decisions on what to say publicly, which would explain why other celebs haven't spoken up in his defense (they are probably acting under the advice of their publicists).

Clambake.org is an excellent Scientology information site. If you want to know about Hubbard specifically, read Bare-Faced Messiah.
 
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