Told off by Sentinal...

[Sentinel]

The answer

Since no one could answer the simple question without getting their panties in a twirling wedgie: eeeeeh !! wrong answer.

A) The international flags that were around the square in the North Tower.
B) The day Nelson Rockefeller dedicated the WTC Complex in 74.

Now heres another question for the uptights in the room.

1) What are Navigation Beacons on Commercial Aircraft?
2) How often do they blink?
3) why weren't they visble on 175 or 11?

Question:

1) If the superman Rollercoaster in Buffalo NY Diving at 70MPH gives the passengers a thrill How much of a thrill did the passengers on United 175 getting at 450MPh aka Power Diving at 10.000 Feet Per Minute aka Nose down 30.000 FT in Three minutes?

2) How was it posible passengers and pilots to survive G-Shock from sudden decelleration?

3) How did an older model Boeing 767 survive such drastic pressure changes yet a Brand new Airbus crashes because of horizontal stablizer failure on climb out from JFK?


Now, to the people on the board who seem to have problems with the way I come out towards some. If you had acted in a respectfull manner when you started the childish character assasinition we wouldn't be having the technical difficalties now, would we. But, its seems to some of you that its ok to act in this manner it was time to call it like it is.

Gravy acts like a pre-madonna with I Love NY ********. Come on Gravy you know you're a spook or you wouldn't be waisting so much time on trying to discredit legitimate research into who killed you fellow NYrs and citizens of almost 180 nations.

P.s. For the Osamo FBI. Its been comfirmed by the FBI in August of this year
"NO HARD EVIDENCE AUTHORITY OF THE FBI"

And for those who still have a problem with it, **** **.

Please keep in mind that your member agreement includes civil conduct toward other forum members.

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Have a nice day

SENTINEL

 

[uk_dave]

1) If the superman Rollercoaster in Buffalo NY Diving at 70MPH gives the passengers a thrill How much of a thrill did the passengers on United 175 getting at 450MPh aka Power Diving at 10.000 Feet Per Minute aka Nose down 30.000 FT in Three minutes?

Sick.

You need help.

 

[Pardalis]

And for those who still have a problem with it, Blow Me.

With phrases like these, we don't need to resort to character assassination.

 

[Bell]

Sentinel, care to answer my question? Asked it twice allready.

What, on 9/11, exactly did you see/hear/experience that made you believe it was a conspiracy?

 

[WildCat]

Sentinel, care to answer my question? Asked it twice allready.

What, on 9/11, exactly did you see/hear/experience that made you believe it was a conspiracy?

What makes you think you can actually get an understandable answer from him? The man is incapable of a coherent train of thought.

 

[Bell]

What makes you think you can actually get an understandable answer from him? The man is incapable of a coherent train of thought.

Actually I am interrested in his answer. I don't know much about him. Was he at the WTC at 9/11? I get a sense he is reflecting his anger over his lost brothers (due to communication problems) in a wrong way, and because of that has fallen victim to believing this conspiracy (and others as well, as added bonus).

 

[T.A.M.]

Sentinel;

I am just amazed at your attitude change. Gravy can defend himself, but let me assure you, I do not believe the USG did 9/11. Does this mean I disrespect you or those who you worked with who died on 9/11...no. Most, if not all of us here simply have high standards for what we consider to be proof of otherwise. So far noone has shown me anything convincing that 9/11 was an inside job.

You seem really angry, which is fair, I guess you have a right to be, but my god man, to come out with such words and anger and just letting it spray all over this forum, seems a little...no alot, mean spirited.

I hope one day you can come here and talk more rationally. Until then.

Peace

TAM

 

[gumboot]

Now heres another question for the uptights in the room.

1) What are Navigation Beacons on Commercial Aircraft?
2) How often do they blink?
3) why weren't they visble on 175 or 11?

Because on a bright sunny day you can't see the navigation lights on an aircraft when it's in the sky.

Anyone who has ever lived on or near an airbase/airport can tell you this.

-Gumboot

 

[TjW]

(Snippage by TjW)

Now heres another question for the uptights in the room.

1) What are Navigation Beacons on Commercial Aircraft?
2) How often do they blink?
3) why weren't they visble on 175 or 11?

There aren't any Navigation Beacons on commercial aircraft. A navigation beacon needs to stay in a known location so you can use it to navigate.

There are usually anticollision lights on commercial aircraft, and while they are generally lit, Part 91.209(b) specifically says:
"However, the anti-collision lights need not be lighted when the pilot-in-command determines that, because of operating conditions, it would be in the interest of safety to turn the lights off."

This indicates to me that the people writing the FARs expected them to be installed in such a way that the pilot has some control over them.
Now, operating conditions were probably not such that safety was increased by turning them off (if they were off). So if the pilot turned them off, he was in violation of the FARs. I don't see how this points to a government plot, though.

Question:

1) If the superman Rollercoaster in Buffalo NY Diving at 70MPH gives the passengers a thrill How much of a thrill did the passengers on United 175 getting at 450MPh aka Power Diving at 10.000 Feet Per Minute aka Nose down 30.000 FT in Three minutes?

2) How was it posible passengers and pilots to survive G-Shock from sudden decelleration?

3) How did an older model Boeing 767 survive such drastic pressure changes yet a Brand new Airbus crashes because of horizontal stablizer failure on climb out from JFK?

2. Nastily phrased as it is, 10000 feet per minute is around 114 mph vertical descent. If the aircraft rounded out to level flight no faster than, say, a parachute opens, there shouldn't be a problem, since skydivers are often going this fast or faster when they deploy. If you're considering the deceleration from running into the building, of course they didn't survive that deceleration.

3.) Descending quickly should lower the stress on a pressurized aircraft, since the cabin pressure is generally maintained around 7-8000 feet with engine bleed air. Descending reduces the pressure differential. There's a flapper valve that allows greater-than-cabin ambient pressure in, so descending below the set cabin pressure won't cause a problem either.
Multiple pressure/depressure cycles do cause fatigue of the airframe, but they don't pop like balloons or crush like a juice-box.
For the second part of your answer: It was a Boeing.
I think you may be thinking of the Airbus that lost its rudder when the co-pilot applied full left rudder, then while yawed left, applied full right rudder.
The aircraft was below maneuvering speed, (the speed at which you should be able to apply full control deflections without breaking things) so he thought it was safe. However, it's only safe from coordinated flight. Full deflection the other way, with the aircraft already yawed, can create much larger forces. Forces larger than the aircraft was designed for.
If that is not the incident you were thinking of, please be more specific as to the date. The FAA maintains a site where you can look up the probable causes of airplane crashes.

(more snippage by TjW)

 

[Gravy]

Gravy acts like a pre-madonna

I can't help it. I haven't saved enough money for the surgery.*

Come on Gravy you know you're a spook

I assume you mean "spooky." Check my avatar. I do more as a rollerblading ghoul with 10-foot mannequin arms before 9 a.m. than most people do all day.

or you wouldn't be waisting so much time on trying to discredit legitimate research into who killed you fellow NYrs

Au contraire. I encourage research about al Qaeda and other groups and individuals that seek to do us harm. As a New Yorker, I take that issue seriously.

and citizens of almost 180 nations.

Check your facts.

Hate the game, Sentinel, not the sauce made from pan drippings.

*primadonna

 

[R.Mackey]

2. Nastily phrased as it is, 10000 feet per minute is around 114 mph vertical descent. If the aircraft rounded out to level flight no faster than, say, a parachute opens, there shouldn't be a problem, since skydivers are often going this fast or faster when they deploy. If you're considering the deceleration from running into the building, of course they didn't survive that deceleration.

Yeah, that one really gave me a giggle. Of course, it's Sentinel, so check your reality glasses at the door.

Just for a point of absurd reference, the USAF F-15 Eagle has an initial rate of climb of around 50,000 feet per minute, and can reach 30,000 feet within sixty seconds of wheels up carrying a useful air-to-air payload.

Climbing fast is much tougher than diving fast. Darn near anything can dive fast.

While Boeing passengers don't experience the same thrill as an F-15 pilot by any means, nor are they as physically fit or granted such sophisticated seating arrangements, there's no reason to expect them to pop or squish or go mad just because they're exposed to a measly 10,000 fpm dive. Just ain't so.

Carry on.

 

[Sentinel]

Egypt Air Flight

This flight out of JFK performed the same iratic flight pattern as the flights on 9-11 Yet fell apart in the "Power Dive" with Engine shutdown and the plane falling apart with the stress which also went far beyond design specs.

The passenger were in zero gravity and went to twice the Earths gravity when the fist pull out by the captain Who by the way was standing on the dash board trying to get the plane to slow down. They had to put the air brakes in play and the plane still fell into the sea of long Island after falling apart because the plane was unable to handle the stress on the engines or the fusalodge.

Yet, all the planes on 9-11 made it to their destination on point.


I don't hate the players Gravy.
I hate the Game.

Some players have nice city contracts to defend.

Remember, It only to 30 shekels to turn Jesus in.

P.s. The US always helped the communist during the cold war but made its citizens believe they were the Boogeymen.

Example #1: The US Gave assistance to the Viet Nim who was headed by Ho Chi Men (A communist)
Why?
To get the Former Japanese and Vicci french (Nazi collaborators) out of indo china. Then We sent 58.000+ American fighters to their deaths so Capitalism could merge with Communism.

Example#2 The Yogoslav partisans (tito) was given assistance so he could maintain hostilities against the Nazis

The Carter Administration had GWB (The Father) heading the Mujahadin fighters in afganistan with good old (Tim Ossman). Then for some unknown reason GWB left the CIA to become Veep. This of course was shortly after the Iran Hostage crisis which mysteriously came to an end under the Reagan administration. The GWB seemed to be in colaboration with the Hinckly family which mysteriously were having dinner with Niel Bush( Mr savings and loans BCCI) the night before Reagan was shot.

The first WTC attack and its little fiasco with the investigations

The We have the OKC Bombing and all the official reports reporting the extra "Nooks and crannies"

Then we have 9-11 and the joke of an investigation on that.

And so on and so on and so on.

Now we have a failure to arrest congressmen for hitting on our children.

See anything wrong yet, folks?

I bet not



Have a nice day

Sentinel on post

 

[60hzxtl]

See anything wrong yet, folks?

I bet not



Have a nice day

Sentinel on post

Sentinel on post making Another False Alarm! Keep looking guys there's a conspiracy around here somewhere!

 

[Gravy]

The passenger were in zero gravity and went to twice the Earths gravity when the fist pull out by the captain Who by the way was standing on the dash board trying to get the plane to slow down. They had to put the air brakes in play and the plane still fell into the sea of long Island after falling apart because the plane was unable to handle the stress on the engines or the fusalodge.

I ask you to stop, think, and read that back to yourself. If you think it still makes sense, I implore you to run it past someone who has knowledge of the English language.

I don't hate the players Gravy.
I hate the Game.

Some players have nice city contracts to defend.

Remember, It only to 30 shekels to turn Jesus in.

Dude.

I have no "contract" with the City of New York. I earned the right to charge for my tour guiding services by passing their test and paying the licensing fee. In fact, I achieved the highest score in the history of that test. I also teach a class to train aspiring guides to pass the test.

Here are some other classes of people who also have to be licenced by the NYC Department of Consumer Affairs:

Amusement Ride Operators
Auctioneers
Billiard Hall Operators
Automotive Booting Company Operators
Cabaret and Disco Operators
Caterers
Cigarette Retail Distributors
Dealers in Devices for the Disabled
Debt Collection Agency Operators
Electronic and Home Appliance Service Dealers
Electronics Retailers
Employment Agency Operators
Garage and Parking Lot Operators
General Vendors
General Vendor Distributors
Home Improvement Contractors
Horse-Drawn Cab Operators and Drivers
Laundry Operators, Jobbers, and Drivers
Locksmiths
Motion Picture Operators
Newsstands
Pawnbrokers
Process Servers
Ticket Brokers, Resellers, and Employees
Scale Dealers and Repairers
Scrap Metal Processors
Secondhand Dealers
Secondhand Dealers of Firearms
Sidewalk Café Owners
Stoopline Stand Operators
Sightseeing Bus Operators
Storage Warehouse Operators
Street Fair Vendors
Tow Truck Drivers and Operators
​

Are they all in on it too, Sentinel, or do you just have a thing against tour guides?


And for crying out loud, will you run spell check before you post?
​

 

[Sentinel]

60 you're such a tool, lol

I hear you like tall tails 60?


Heres one for you: A couple of weeks ago there was this stick up in Brooklyn NY. As a matter fact it was Pacific st and Boylen st in the "73" confines.

Well, as luck would have it there just happened to be some firemen who made the pick up in progress. They caught the two "perps" and requested PD for the arrest. Well, as luck would have it again there still after 5 years no comprehensive Cross Monitoring in "real time" and Now we have one of the "perps" pull a firearm in the Firemen. So the Firemen are now screaming for 10-47 Police assistance otherwise known as "Code Red". The initial request for police was still in the works and the "73" still had not gotten the original request.

So we have a delema. So the firemen are screaming for the cops and the cops can't hear them.

So guess what I did there,60?

Heres another example of a tall tail for you 60.

There was a cop in the "70" who was in pursuit and started having what his partner believed was a Myol Cardial Infarction "Heart Attack" This cop served alot of time at GZ during the recovery process. So his partner is screaming for a "Bus" forthwit. Theres no assistance forthwit. so he screaming and screaming and you know what?

Theres a firehouse not 500 ft from his location and they haven't got a clue whats happening right down the block from the down officer.

Do you know what I did there,60?

You got to love politics in this city

Sentinel

 

[Sentinel]

The firemen were saved the cop lost his life (Brain blood clot)



Now, for thos that still don't get it,

This may give you a clue what my world is about.

For the rest, Your to amusing.


Sentinel

 

[Gravy]

So guess what I did there,60?

You're asking for guesses. My guess is that you did nothing. Prove me wrong.

Do you know what I did there,60?

You're asking for guesses. My guess is that you did nothing. Prove me wrong.

Nothing you have ever posted here has shown any involvement of local, state, or federal government in planning, executing, or allowing the terrorist attacks of 9/11. Agreed?

 

[Project86]

Paul

As someone who is intimately familiar with the world of emergency dispatch, I can assure you that neither of those scenarios are unheard of. No politics or conspiracies necessary.

Firefighter calls for code 2 backup. His dispatch gets the info and has to relay it to police dispatch. It then gets put added to a list of pending events to be dispatched, likely as a priority two event. There's a one or two minute delay accounted for so far just to get the call on the list. Then theres the matter of finding an available officer, and driving time for that officer. Bumping that to code 3 still does not magically provide more beat officers, or help the traffic situation.

Same story goes for the cop calling for medical help. That call goes through his dispatch, who then has to notify medical dispatch. Do we know if the units in the nearby firehouse were all out on calls already? If so, the dispatch software will account for that and suggest the next nearest unit.

My point in all this is that the 2 things you mentioned are in no way proof of any foul play. Unfortunately in this line of work things don't always work out the way we would like them to.

 

[Bell]

The firemen were saved the cop lost his life (Brain blood clot)



Now, for thos that still don't get it,

This may give you a clue what my world is about.

For the rest, Your to amusing.


Sentinel

Sentinel, please. Communication problems does not mean there's a conspiracy to kill firefighters or cops.

I ask you again, what did you hear/see/experience on 9/11 that made you think it was a conspiracy?

 

[beachnut]

This flight out of JFK performed the same iratic flight pattern as the flights on 9-11 Yet fell apart in the "Power Dive" with Engine shutdown and the plane falling apart with the stress which also went far beyond design specs.

The passenger were in zero gravity and went to twice the Earths gravity when the fist pull out by the captain Who by the way was standing on the dash board trying to get the plane to slow down. They had to put the air brakes in play and the plane still fell into the sea of long Island after falling apart because the plane was unable to handle the stress on the engines or the fusalodge.

Yet, all the planes on 9-11 made it to their destination on point.

The first WTC attack and its little fiasco with the investigations

The We have the OKC Bombing and all the official reports reporting the extra "Nooks and crannies"

Then we have 9-11 and the joke of an investigation on that.

And so on and so on and so on.

See anything wrong yet, folks?

I bet not

Have a nice day

Sentinel on post

How could you be more wrong about flight 11 and 175, they were not put in an uncontrolled dive like EgyptAir flight 990. The facts are despite the over speed conditions on all 3 terrorist hits, the planes were not anything like EgyptAir flight 990. And the over speed conditions were mainly restricted to the final approach to the terrorist large targets. Even bad pilots can not miss a 1300 foot by 207 foot target, and my goodness how could you miss the Pentagon if you aim. Sentinel, you may need this hint, the point in your windscreen that is not moving is the thing you will hit!

What is the rest of your stuff have to do with 9/11?

Does this extra junk you throw in mean you have about as much evidence as you do respect for research to find the truth?

See anything wrong yet,?

Got Facts?

I bet not

Have a nicer day