Today’s Mass Stabbings

[Warp12]

Sure, because we're going to solve the problem of why people murder. Give me a research grant and I'll get right on it.

So, considering this event, where do you stand on "knife control"? Do you think we should regulate these potential weapons better, and have a requirement for all knives to have square tips?

Or do you agree that most of what occurs with these mass-killings is tied to mental health issues? I know that if I set a knife on the countertop, it is not likely to go out and kill anyone.

What further controls and restrictions on knives would you like to see implemented?

 

[arthwollipot]

So, considering this event, where do you stand on "knife control"? Do you think we should regulate these potential weapons better, and have a requirement for all knives to have square tips?

Or do you agree that most of what occurs with these mass-killings is tied to mental health issues? I know that if I set a knife on the countertop, it is not likely to go out and kill anyone.

What further controls and restrictions on knives would you like to see implemented?

This is my position on "knife control":

"Knife control" is a reductio ad absurdum straw argument usually brought by opponents of gun control.

 

[Warp12]

Well, they got the 2nd brother. Thankfully the first one died, seemingly from wounds he suffered during the attacks??

Canadian authorities had been intensely searching for Sanderson, who has a history of violence and is accused along with his brother of killing 10 people and wounding 18 last Sunday in an Indigenous reserve in Saskatchewan.

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The older Sanderson had 59 criminal convictions and had been serving a sentence of more than four years when he was freed in February. The parole board wrote that "it is the board’s opinion that you will not present an undue risk to society if released on statutory release."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ng-suspect-updates/8009025001/?csp=chromepush

This guy had 59 prior convictions, and a history of violence. Seems like a failure of the criminal justice system, and rehab efforts. Maybe he didn't belong on the street, after all?

I think that even if we focused most of our efforts on less access to dangerous knives, these guys would have still done a lot of killing.

 

[Matthew Best]

Well, they got the 2nd brother. Thankfully the first one died, seemingly from wounds he suffered during the attacks.

Second brother also dead - from self-inflicted wounds.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Second brother also dead - from self-inflicted wounds.

Nope. And neither was he shot in a police shootout. Arrested by the Mounties.

 

[shemp]

Myles Sanderson, suspect in deadly Canada stabbing attacks, taken into custody

Myles Sanderson, one of the two suspects in a stabbing spree that left 10 people dead in the Canadian province of Saskatchewan, was taken into custody Wednesday, police said. An official later told The Associated Press that Sanderson has died of self-inflicted wounds.

The official did not explain when those wounds were sustained or when Sanderson died.

 

[Matthew Best]

Nope.

Yep


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[arthwollipot]

Suspect arrested over Canada mass stabbing dies from self-inflicted injuries

Myles Sanderson went into ‘medical distress’ after his arrest, and later died in hospital, say police


The fugitive wanted over a mass stabbing in Canada that killed 10 people and injured 18 has died in hospital after his arrest, police have confirmed, with sources saying his death was the result of self-inflicted wounds.

Myles Sanderson went into “medical distress” after his arrest and was taken to hospital where he died, Royal Canadian Mounted police assistant commissioner Rhonda Blackmore said in a press conference on Wednesday night. Police found a knife in the truck, which officers had rammed off the road into a ditch, but Blackmore would not comment on the cause of his death.

Sources familiar with the situation earlier confirmed to the Guardian that Sanderson died shortly after being taken into custody, after police rammed his stolen vehicle. They said he had died as a result of self-inflicted injuries. Police sources gave similar accounts to Canadian media outlet Global News and Associated Press.

 

[Warp12]

So, how do we think this event could have been avoided? That is the goal, right?

I know that if they had used guns, the outcry would be for more gun control.

Where do we focus, here? The knives?

 

[arthwollipot]

So, how do we think this event could have been avoided? That is the goal, right?

I know that if they had used guns, the outcry would be for more gun control.

Where do we focus, here? The knives?

We don't know. Both perpetrators are dead, so we can't ask them why they did it.

 

[Warp12]

So, how do we think this event could have been avoided? That is the goal, right? I know that if they had used guns, the outcry would be for more gun control.

Where do we focus, here? The knives?

We don't know. Both perpetrators are dead, so we can't ask them why they did it.

Where do we focus when a mass shooter kills and then takes their own life?

I guess we don't know, since they are dead. Right?

 

[Darat]

So, how do we think this event could have been avoided? That is the goal, right?

I know that if they had used guns, the outcry would be for more gun control.
Where do we focus, here? The knives?

How do you know that?

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

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Nope. We don't know how he died. Suicide is speculation. Maybe he "fell down the stairs"?

 

[Matthew Best]

He dead though.

 

[arthwollipot]

Where do we focus when a mass shooter kills and then takes their own life?

I guess we don't know, since they are dead. Right?

In a lot of cases we can know, because the perpetrator left a manifesto, or a trail of posts on social media. I don't know if that is the case here. If it isn't, we may never know what motivated them.

What we do know is if they had used guns instead of knives, a lot more people would probably have died.

 

[Warp12]

In a lot of cases we can know, because the perpetrator left a manifesto, or a trail of posts on social media. I don't know if that is the case here. If it isn't, we may never know what motivated them.

What we do know is if they had used guns instead of knives, a lot more people would probably have died.

So, and I've asked before, do you feel we need stricter controls on knives? I mean, if not, why not?

I mean, I'd say it is pretty obvious there are mental health issues involved. And a poor decision by the parole board, it would seem. Do you think these matters are of more significance than the particular weapon used?

 

[arthwollipot]

So, and I've asked before, do you feel we need stricter controls on knives? I mean, if not, why not?

I refuse to answer on the grounds that is a stupid question.

I mean, I'd say it is pretty obvious there are mental health issues involved. And a poor decision by the parole board, it would seem. Do you think these matters are of more significance than the particular weapon used?

Why are you concerned about my personal heirarchy of significance? They guys used knives to kill some people. Do you dispute that if they had used guns, they would most likely have killed more people?

 

[Warp12]

So, and I've asked before, do you feel we need stricter controls on knives? I mean, if not, why not?

I mean, I'd say it is pretty obvious there are mental health issues involved. And a poor decision by the parole board, it would seem. Do you think these matters are of more significance than the particular weapon used?

I refuse to answer on the grounds that is a stupid question.

Why are you concerned about my personal heirarchy of significance? They guys used knives to kill some people. Do you dispute that if they had used guns, they would most likely have killed more people?

Ok, so you won't answer the question about restrictions on knives. It is fairly clear why.

I am asking about this specific case. I am not trying to make a case against gun control, as I have already stated that I do support additional measures.

I want to know what you think, outside of the weapon, might be some obvious reasons that this mass-killing occurred.

 

[arthwollipot]

I want to know what you think, outside of the weapon, might be some obvious reasons that this mass-killing occurred.

I have no idea? Do you?

 

[Warp12]

I have no idea? Do you?

As I already posted:

This guy had 59 prior convictions, and a history of violence. Seems like a failure of the criminal justice system, and rehab efforts. Maybe he didn't belong on the street, after all?

I mean, I'd say it is pretty obvious there are mental health issues involved. And a poor decision by the parole board, it would seem. Do you think these matters are of more significance than the particular weapon used?

Are you saying you dispute the above?

And I will ask one more time, do you think we need to place further restrictions on knives? Do you believe that could have stopped this crime? And if not, why not?

This is a totally legitimate question, as this ideology has been used in the UK.