Today's Mass Shooting

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Kind of a slow weekend for mass shootings. There was one each in El Paso, Philadelphia, Los Angeles, and Springfield, Ohio.


2 killed.

18 wounded.

0 white DVEs on the trigger.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
Good point! That 18 cases figure should be reduced then, according to your statistics.



What do you think her other concerns are?
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I have no idea nor do I care what she thinks, just addressing others' claims. If she stated her reasons I didn't see them mentioned, which is why I question that she fears cops shooting her kids. Maybe she does, maybe she doesn't.
 
mgidm86 said:
I'd say Michelle has at least 3.6 times more reason to fear that her kids might be shot than some others:


https://jjie.org/2021/02/11/police-...ects-show-the-young-more-likely-to-be-killed/




I don't know that being shot by police is her only concern, I doubt it. I think someone here made that up.
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Exactly. Being shot is the most severe outcome from a whole range of potential bad.

We don't have any figures on Tazer uses or pepper spray uses for example, except for snapshots which show that in some municipalities blacks have been targeted by police.
 
Warp12 said:
Man, "18"...incredible. Police perform about 10 million arrests per year. There are 40 million+ African Americans. There were 60 total such killings, across every race, of the 340 million Americans. Obviously, this is an epidemic.
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Why have you addressed this to me?

I haven't claimed that "18" is incredible.

I haven't claimed that this is an "epidemic".

I'm writing, specifically, about the possibility of there being some instance where the taking of a life of an unarmed man might be justified.

There is absolutely nothing in your response that addresses that. Did you get me mixed up with someone else?
 
Warp12 said:
Man, "18"...incredible. Police perform about 10 million arrests per year. There are 40 million+ African Americans. There were 60 total such killings, across every race, of the 340 million Americans. Obviously, this is an epidemic.
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The problem is not the number 18. The problem is police in the United States shoot and kill black people at the rate of 37 per million black people, as opposed to only 15 per million for white people. In case you didn't notice it, the rate at which black people are killed by police is twice that for whites.

Article at the Washington Post

Not to mention that police in the USA are far more likely to shoot someone, fatally or otherwise, than police in Canada or Europe.
 
Blue Mountain said:
The problem is not the number 18. The problem is police in the United States shoot and kill black people at the rate of 37 per million black people, as opposed to only 15 per million for white people. In case you didn't notice it, the rate at which black people are killed by police is twice that for whites.

Article at the Washington Post

Not to mention that police in the USA are far more likely to shoot someone, fatally or otherwise, than police in Canada or Europe.
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Police shoot and kill 37 per one million black people? Over how many years are we talking, here? It doesn't seem clear. Considering that 244 total blacks were shot and killed by police in 2020, "37 per one million" does not add up, when you are looking at a sample group of 42 million. The total number of unarmed blacks shot and killed in 2020 was 18. We can't just ignore that stat, right?

Either way, it does not represent an epidemic.
 
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cmikes said:
If it's the case I'm thinking of the guy being attacked was still alive (he actually lived though having a large chunk of his face being bitten off) and the officer shot the perpetrator to try to save the victim's life. The only other choice would have been to try to physically restrain the guy, and a single officer trying that with someone that's obviously on PCP or bath salts is incredibly dangerous.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_cannibal_attack
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So they always shoot 'someone that's obviously on PCP or bath salts'?
 
jimbob said:
Exactly. Being shot is the most severe outcome from a whole range of potential bad.

We don't have any figures on Tazer uses or pepper spray uses for example, except for snapshots which show that in some municipalities blacks have been targeted by police.
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It also leaves out people that were shot but not killed.
 
Belz... said:
mgidm86 said:
I'd say Michelle has at least 3.6 times more reason to fear that her kids might be shot than some others:


https://jjie.org/2021/02/11/police-...ects-show-the-young-more-likely-to-be-killed/




I don't know that being shot by police is her only concern, I doubt it. I think someone here made that up.
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Yeah but it's not an epidemic so no need to worry about it.
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But only if she's going to Whole Foods - not sure what the point of that is.

Let's say Malia is driving her Chrysler 300c to Whole foods to buy arugula. What happens next?
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Captain_Swoop said:
18 unarmed people killed by the police in a year seems pretty epidemic to me
How many are shot but don't die?
Why are unarmed people being killed by the police at all?
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How many of the 'not unarmed' were presenting any real threat?
 
Blue Mountain said:
The problem is not the number 18. The problem is police in the United States shoot and kill black people at the rate of 37 per million black people, as opposed to only 15 per million for white people. In case you didn't notice it, the rate at which black people are killed by police is twice that for whites.
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And how does that compare to the difference in the number of police encounters between the two population groups? Considering the crime rates, and especially the violent crime rates, show that black people commit MORE than twice the number of violent crimes than white people do, you could argue that they are actually underrepresented in police shootings.

I'm not arguing that police violence isn't out of control in the US, but I'm arguing that the numbers show it's not racial.
 
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Ron Obvious said:
And how does that compare to the difference in the number of police encounters between the two population groups? Considering the crime rates, and especially the violent crime rates, show that black people commit MORE than twice the number of violent crimes than white people do, you could argue that they are actually underrepresented in police shootings.

I'm not arguing that police violence isn't out of control in the US, but I'm arguing that the numbers show it's not racial.
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Only if you ignore the statistics that we have.

In Missouri (chosen because they collect this data) black motorists are more likely to be stopped, more likely to be searched, less likely to have contraband found, and more likely to be arrested than white motorists.

And has been pointed out, shootings are just the most extreme example.
 
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Back to the mass shootings committed by not-police. I've recently been waiting until Friday to post all of the mass shootings that occurred during the middle of the week, but it appears it's going to be an especially busy week so I will get a head start now.


Queens, New York

4 wounded when three masked men stepped out of a SUV and fired at people standing on a sidewalk.


Iselin, New Jersey

Bachelorette party →Hotel →Argument between two groups → Gunplay → 4 wounded.


Indianapolis, Indiana

4 critically wounded.
Investigators say there was a dispute in a home on Arborcrest that spilled out into what police are calling a “gun fight” in the street.

Two vehicles were also shot up during the incident.

Police ask anyone with information to please come forward.

“When we have these shootings in these neighborhoods, we need people that witnessed this to come forward and help us out. We can’t do it all by ourselves,” said IMPD Night Watch commander Kerry Buckner.
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Detroit, Michigan

1 killed, 5 wounded outside of a banquet club early in the morning. A drive-by shooting with return fire.
Family members say the man who died was 28-years-old and was in a wheelchair from a prior gunshot wound. According to relatives, he was also an innocent bystander who got caught in the crossfire of bullets when the unknown suspect or suspects drove by and started firing.
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cmikes said:
If it's the case I'm thinking of the guy being attacked was still alive (he actually lived though having a large chunk of his face being bitten off) and the officer shot the perpetrator to try to save the victim's life. The only other choice would have been to try to physically restrain the guy, and a single officer trying that with someone that's obviously on PCP or bath salts is incredibly dangerous.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami_cannibal_attack
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Just like the cocaine crazed negroes who caused the cops to need bigger guns in the past.

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/how-myth-negro-cocaine-fiend-helped-shape-american-drug-policy/

A good urban myth never really goes away.
 
Bogative said:
Back to the mass shootings committed by not-police. I've recently been waiting until Friday to post all of the mass shootings that occurred during the middle of the week, but it appears it's going to be an especially busy week so I will get a head start now.


Queens, New York

4 wounded when three masked men stepped out of a SUV and fired at people standing on a sidewalk.


Iselin, New Jersey

Bachelorette party →Hotel →Argument between two groups → Gunplay → 4 wounded.


Indianapolis, Indiana

4 critically wounded.




Detroit, Michigan

1 killed, 5 wounded outside of a banquet club early in the morning. A drive-by shooting with return fire.
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Hmm. Seems the USA is a violent country. Is that the point you are trying to belabor in this thread?
 
Belz... said:
It wasn't a quote. It was a conclusion based on how people react to black in the US.
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I think you are over simplifying things; with an added touch of ponderingturtle. I don't see how boiling things down to an exaggerated and unsupported sound bite helps move the conversation in any way.

Then again, you may have been going for an ironic or even sarcastic slant, in which case... you got me!

I've been to the US many times and have visited many different states. Granted I've never been in utterly poor areas but I have been in "fiscally challenged" parts of town and I've never seen evidence of or felt that unarmed black people were scary.

Of course, my anecdote does not trump your conclusion, it simply has bit more meat on the bones.
 
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