Today's Mass Shooting

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Meadmaker said:
I was thinking about this. Bogative has "taken over" this thread in a very unique way.


But if you wanted to start a thread specifically for gun crime where the victim count was higher that the FBI's four, I'm sure that would be allowed, and I'm sure that the mods would enforce blatantly off topic references to gun violence where small numbers of people died or were injured. Of course, there's no way to get away from it completely. The low end of the "spree shooter" incidents will overlap somewhat the high end of the "gang related" incidents in their body counts.
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Bogative said:
Somebody please do. I'll be there to end some commonly held misconceptions about those as well.
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I'll be warming up in the bullpen waiting for someone to mention white people or the NRA.
 
Bogative said:
As I said earlier:



I'll be warming up in the bullpen waiting for someone to mention white people or the NRA.
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The NRA will certainly come up, as it should.

I don't know where the "white people" references, or the "MAGA" references that you are so insistent on play such a big role in your commentaries, though. No one ever said that white people or Trump fans shot a lot of people, at least not that I recall. It seems like a bit of a straw man that you are attacking.


What MAGA types, and the NRA, have done is make sure that it is very easy to own and carry weapons. This has had a devastating effect in the black communiies that you post about so often. It shouldn't be so easy to carry a gun. Police ought to be able to arrest people when they see them just carrying a gun. However, because the mostly white NRA insists that they should all be allowed to have guns, they enable the violent thugs to also have guns. That's the role played by MAGA in gun violence.

ETA: I hasten to add, that's a dramatic oversimplification. There are a lot of steps in the middle, and yes I understand that making the carrying of guns illegal would not stop all people from carrying guns, but there really is a connection there, and if you made it harder to purchase or carry firearms, you would have a lot less work posting about black people shooting each other.
 
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Meadmaker said:
The NRA will certainly come up, as it should.

I don't know where the "white people" references, or the "MAGA" references that you are so insistent on play such a big role in your commentaries, though. No one ever said that white people or Trump fans shot a lot of people, at least not that I recall. It seems like a bit of a straw man that you are attacking.
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I bring it up because so often when I turn on the news, pick up a newspaper or read a thread here I am bombarded with how white DVEs are the deadliest threat to the homeland, how white people and America are racist, how MAGArs are violent and racist, and how dangerous all of them are to black people. This is my way of countering the gaslighting.



ETA: I hasten to add, that's a dramatic oversimplification. There are a lot of steps in the middle, and yes I understand that making the carrying of guns illegal would not stop all people from carrying guns, but there really is a connection there, and if you made it harder to purchase or carry firearms, you would have a lot less work posting about black people shooting each other.
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Not to get too far off topic, are you aware of the video of a gang-banger nearly killing a 10-year-old and 5-year-old while attempting to execute a hit on a fellow gang-banger in The Bronx?

The perp had been arrested multiple times for multiple felonies, including a gun crime, served two prison stints and was back out on the street. Until our elected representatives start taking these kind of violent offenders seriously and actually punishing them, I have no interest in talking about the NRA and restricting the rights of law-abiding citizens.
 
Bogative said:
I bring it up because so often when I turn on the news, pick up a newspaper or read a thread here I am bombarded with how white DVEs are the deadliest threat to the homeland, how white people and America are racist, how MAGArs are violent and racist, and how dangerous all of them are to black people. This is my way of countering the gaslighting.
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Seems like some nonsequiturs to me.

I'm seriously with you on the anti-woke bandwagon and obsessions of media and the like, but it doesn't have anything to do with high murder rates, and no one says it does, at least, not directly.

The perp had been arrested multiple times for multiple felonies, including a gun crime, served two prison stints and was back out on the street. Until our elected representatives start taking these kind of violent offenders seriously and actually punishing them, I have no interest in talking about the NRA and restricting the rights of law-abiding citizens.
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So, tougher laws against using a gun in a crime? I think most of "the anti gun crowd" would be on board with that.
 
Memphis, Tennessee is the last to cross the line in this race to the bottom.

3 killed, 1 wounded.

Memphis police say the shooting happened at a rooming house on Dunn Avenue around 9 p.m. Sunday.

According to an affidavit, Jermel Keaton told investigators people in the house were threatening him and he “just lost it.”
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9 total mass shootings, 4 in Chicago.

8 killed.

39 wounded.

0 known MAGAr DVEs on the trigger.
 
Bogative said:
I bring it up because so often when I turn on the news, pick up a newspaper or read a thread here I am bombarded with how white DVEs are the deadliest threat to the homeland, how white people and America are racist, how MAGArs are violent and racist, and how dangerous all of them are to black people. This is my way of countering the gaslighting.





Not to get too far off topic, are you aware of the video of a gang-banger nearly killing a 10-year-old and 5-year-old while attempting to execute a hit on a fellow gang-banger in The Bronx?

The perp had been arrested multiple times for multiple felonies, including a gun crime, served two prison stints and was back out on the street. Until our elected representatives start taking these kind of violent offenders seriously and actually punishing them, I have no interest in talking about the NRA and restricting the rights of law-abiding citizens.
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I think this should read;
Until our elected representatives start taking these kind of violent offenders seriously and actually rehabilitating them....
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What your post shows is merely punishing people for breaking the law is rarely as effective as taking the opportunity to stop them from wanting / needing to break the law.
 
Planigale said:
I think this should read;


What your post shows is merely punishing people for breaking the law is rarely as effective as taking the opportunity to stop them from wanting / needing to break the law.
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I agree, but for right-wing populists any attempt to rehabilitate is viewed as being soft on criminals and instead prisoners should be treated as harshly as possible regardless of the evidence showing how pointless this is.

It isn't about making society safer, it's about punishing "wrongdoers".
 
A couple of late stragglers crossed the line overnight.

Fort Deposit, Alabama

A family was burying their loved one and
they were just steps away from lowering their loved one’s body into the ground when a vehicle with four people inside drove into the cemetery and whipped around with loud music blaring.
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The family confronted the four people in the car, niceties were exchanged, 8 to 9 shots were fired.

1 killed, 3 wounded.



Greensboro, North Carolina

Pool party. Argument. Gunplay.

4 wounded.



Updated totals.

11 total mass shootings, 4 in Chicago.

9 killed.

46 wounded.

0 known MAGAr DVEs on the trigger.
 
Some highlights from the week before the Independence Day weekend not-DVE mass shootings begin.


Seattle, Washington 1 killed, 3 wounded

Dover, Delaware 1 killed, 3 wounded

Marrero, Louisiana 4 wounded

Houston, Texas 3 killed, 1 wounded

But Chicago 4 wounded

But Chicago 7 wounded

Chesapeake, Virginia 1 killed, 3 wounded

Spartanburg, South Carolina 2 killed, 4 wounded



8 mass shootings

7 killed

29 wounded

0 Trumper DVEs on the trigger.
 
From the Department of Homeland Security:

"As of 16 June, racially or ethnically motivated violent extremist-white supremacists (RMVE-WSs) were sharing downloadable links to a publication discussing targeting mass gatherings, critical infrastructure, and law enforcement officers."
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So DHS, and all of its media mockingbirds, are issuing warnings about how violent the white supremacists are going to be over Independence Day weekend.


Since this thread is about mass shootings, I'm gonna guess that the number of victims that come from White DVE mass shootings will be 0, the number that comes from not-white-DVE mass shootings will be 80. That's for the entire four day weekend.

Anyone else want to take a guess?
 
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Norfolk, Virginia

4 wounded.

A 6-year-old, 14-year-old and two 16-year-old bystanders were shot when a couple of fellas who were up to no good started shooting up the neighborhood after an altercation.
 
I just stumbled across this video of the shooting in Chicago that injured seven, including a one month old who was shot in the head, earlier this week.

These are not the DVEs Joe Biden is looking for.
 
Champaign, Illinois where 17-year-old Kieshaun Lamar Thatch, and four others, were shot during a celebration of life in the middle of the afternoon.

Some highlights
At least one suspect approached the 17-year-old victim in the parking lot and shot him. Gunfire ensued and police estimate about 100 rounds of gunfire were exchanged. A WAND news on the estimated there were about 113 rounds of gunfire.
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More snitches get stitches, FTP, ACAB culture
"I don't care if we have an officer on every corner in every spot in the city, we are not omnipresent and we can't (always) be there," Cobb said. "We need our public's assistance. We need our public to come and be part of the solution and without them, we are not going to be able to solve these issues."
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The event was just getting started when the shooting happened, they said. American Legion added they did not want to host this event because they were worried about something violent happening.
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Racists.





Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
1 killed, 4 injured. Not a lot of information known about the shooting, we will have to wait to see what DHS says.
 
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Bogative said:
Champaign, Illinois where 17-year-old Kieshaun Lamar Thatch, and four others, were shot during a celebration of life in the middle of the afternoon.

Some highlights



More snitches get stitches, FTP, ACAB culture






Racists.





Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
1 killed, 4 injured. Not a lot of information known about the shooting, we will have to wait to see what DHS says.
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Can I suggest that if your core argument is that 'Black people are mostly to blame for mass shootings' that you open a thread on that particular topic? AIUI this thread arose because of the sheer numbers of mass shootings, as publicised as headlines in the mass media, which wasn't really about family quarrels or peers upset about not being invited to a party or race relations.
 
Vixen said:
Can I suggest that if your core argument is that 'Black people are mostly to blame for mass shootings' that you open a thread on that particular topic? AIUI this thread arose because of the sheer numbers of mass shootings, as publicised as headlines in the mass media, which wasn't really about family quarrels or peers upset about not being invited to a party or race relations.
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I think that is one of his points. Not picking a side really, but this thread is titled "Today's Mass Shooting". I don't think his point is that black people are to blame for most of them, just that the white shooters get most of the major press.

It has been argued here that certain shootings, like gang involved, shouldn't count. I'm not sure whether or not I agree with that.

After following this thread for a long time I still don't know how we should categorize these shottings, or if we should do it at all.

The problem is the prevalence of guns, not who the individual shooters are. We are focusing on symptoms, not the actual problem.

We can argue the minutiae forever but it hasn't and will not solve anything. The only thing that will is less guns. It's not impossible but it is a very very long term goal, and that needs to be the focus, in my opinion.
 
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