Today's Mass Shooting

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Ron Obvious said:
I think black gang culture is largely to blame, but apparently the presumption that black people have agency and should consider being more introspective rather than reflexively blaming white people for all their problems is considered racist now.
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I think inviting people to interpret your refusal to answer simple and direct questions and then getting butt hurt about the interpretation is just wasting everyone’s time. But that’s part of the game I guess.

So is a lack of introspection an inherently black thing?
 
dirtywick said:
I think inviting people to interpret your refusal to answer simple and direct questions and then getting butt hurt about the interpretation is just wasting everyone’s time. But that’s part of the game I guess.

So is a lack of introspection an inherently black thing?
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Judging by your constant deflections and tedious non-sequiturs, it seems to me you're the one playing games and unable to cope with the real world.
 
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Ron Obvious said:
Statistically, the greatest danger to young black men are other young black men. Certainly not white cops.

Now honestly, is that the impression you'd be left with from the news coverage and the BLM riots of the past year?
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Black people are why y’all can’t have good things.
 
Sideroxylon said:
Black people are why y’all can’t have good things.
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Do you think maybe you'll have anything substantial to contribute at some point?

Looks to me like black people are why black people can't have good things instead, but reflexively blaming white people for everything going wrong with black people in the US is certainly easier, more fashionable, and less intellectually demanding.
 
Ron Obvious said:
Do you think maybe you'll have anything substantial to contribute at some point?

Looks to me like black people are why black people can't have good things instead, but reflexively blaming white people for everything going wrong with black people in the US is certainly easier, more fashionable, and less intellectually demanding.
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Other than deaths in black neighbourhoods, America doesn’t have a gun problem. Definitely not a NRA fueled bat guano crazy gun culture.
 
William Parcher said:
Would anyone disagree with the majority of these mass shootings being gang related?
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I do not disagree nor do I agree because I haven't seen the statistics. I know it's very common on this board and in media to label most of the mass shootings committed by blacks as "gang violence."

Based on what I've read in news articles provided in the GVA links, the overwhelming majority mention nothing of gang violence.

Even if the majority, or any, are gang-related, why does it matter?
 
Ron Obvious said:
What's your explanation for those statistics?
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Socio-economics for a start. Do they commit more crimes because they are black, or because they are poor?

If you compare white people in lower socio-economic demographics with black people in similar lower socio-economic demographics, does your knee-jerk assertion "blacks commit more crimes only because they are black" stand up to close scrutiny.

You see, your smart-arsed remark about cognitive dissonance can easily be chucked right back in your face with another phenomenon we have a name for... "correlation does not necessarily imply causation".
 
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smartcooky said:
Socio-economics for a start. Do they commit more crimes because they are black, or because they are poor?

If you compare white people in lower socio-economic demographics with black people in similar lower socio-economic demographics, does your knee-jerk assertion "blacks commit more crimes only because they are black" stand up to close scrutiny.

You see, your smart-arsed remark about cognitive dissonance can easily be chucked right back in your face with another phenomenon we have a name for... "correlation does not necessarily imply causation".
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Exactly - and note how common guns are as a tool of homicide in the US:

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jimbob said:
Violence tends to correlate with poverty. Both within nations and outside nations.

I uploaded these image to JREF in 2012

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There are outliers, and one can explore reasons for them.

The difference between the graphs is the top is a log-log plot, whilst the bottom is a semilog plot
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ETA: I apologise for the age of the plots, but these were the ones I had already uploaded to what was JREF.
 
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A white supremacist rammed a truck into a building and murdered 2 black bystanders, execution style, before being shot dead by police in Winthrop, MA.

The rampage ended quickly, when a Winthrop officer killed the gunman, whom Rollins identified as 28-year-old Nathan Allen. He had made "anti-Semitic and racist statements against Black individuals," according to the preliminary investigation.

Allen "walked by several other people that were not Black and they are alive. They were not harmed," she said.

“To be murdered for their race, in this area, is unconscionable and it’s outrageous,” said Harry Gordon, who left flowers at a memorial site on Sunday.
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https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/retired-state-trooper-killed-in-winthrop-shooting-rampage-remembered-as-hero/2415813/
 
But But But Chicago!

1 killed, 5 wounded during a drive-by.
Authorities said around 8:45 p.m., five men and one woman were standing outside in the 2000 block of E. 71st Street when a black SUV drove by and someone inside opened fire.

The woman was shot six times and transported to the University of Chicago Medical Center, where she later died.
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Rochester, New York

1 killed, 3 wounded at a not-MAGAr gathering.
Shooting happened just before 1 a.m. Police say at the time several hundred people were on scene, a fight broke out and around 20 shots were fired from multiple weapons.
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SuburbanTurkey said:
A white supremacist rammed a truck into a building and murdered 2 black bystanders, execution style, before being shot dead by police in Winthrop, MA.
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Tragic. I hope the shooter suffered in severe pain before he died.

Why is this in the mass shooting thread? If we're going to start counting two victims as a mass shooting, I'm going to have to retire, do this full-time and hire a couple of assistants just to keep up.
 
ponderingturtle said:
They will just take that one over too.
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I was thinking about this. Bogative has "taken over" this thread in a very unique way. He has stayed relentlessly on topic, at least with his core message. His asides, e.g. his statements about the shooters not appearing to be Maga-related and such, are kind of off topic, but I think you started this thread as a way of calling attention to the fact that mass shootings in America are pretty much an every day occurrence. Bogative is really driving that home.

He's doing it in an offensive, but very effective, way.

Bogative's posts are really driving home both the frequency and the nature of gun violence in America. For me, I think restricting the ability to own or, especially, to carry firearms is an obvious way to begin to address these shootings.


But if you wanted to start a thread specifically for gun crime where the victim count was higher that the FBI's four, I'm sure that would be allowed, and I'm sure that the mods would enforce blatantly off topic references to gun violence where small numbers of people died or were injured. Of course, there's no way to get away from it completely. The low end of the "spree shooter" incidents will overlap somewhat the high end of the "gang related" incidents in their body counts.
 
But But But But Chicago!

1 killed, 10 injured.

Police said the victims were all gathered outside in the 6300 block of South Artesian Avenue at approximately 10:53 p.m. when three unknown men emerged from an alley and fired shots into the crowd.
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The three shooters were not heard saying "this is MAGA country."
 
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