Today's Mass Shooting

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I'm not sure I trust Bogative's motives, but he's calling attention to something that is both true and shameful in our society.

Black people being killed is just not a high priority in the US, unless a white person is involved. If you want to see the racism inherent in our society, that's it.

Yea we totally make excuses for blacks killing other blacks and refuse to prosecute them all the time. No wait that completely does not happen.

It is almost as if you are totally missing the point of black lives matter.

I think we can all agree no one did anything seriously wrong in the murder of Breonna Taylor. That is really quite clear otherwise there would have been some effort made to indict someone for it. As this was no effort at all in that regard clearly it was not any kind of criminal mistake.
 
I provided a link earlier with the police staffing information. Good luck finding stats from studies on victims refusing to cooperate with police, they're extremely hard to find but a simple Google search will give you an idea.

Here are some links to get you started:

From Wichita
Police: Lack of witness and victim cooperation hindering some investigations


From Chicago
Lack of cooperation stymies most shooting cases

More from Chicago

Just one in ten nonfatal shootings in Chicago lead to an arrest. Unlike in fatal cases, gunshot victims who survive can often provide information of use in the police investigation. Nonetheless, nonfatal shooting cases in Chicago and elsewhere have much lower arrest rates than fatal cases, in part because most victims do not cooperate. We use data from the Chicago Inmate Survey (CIS) to analyze the potential value that gunshot-victim cooperation could have for increasing arrest rates. Half of CIS respondents reported they had been shot before. Very few cooperated with police investigations of these shootings, although at least half of them could have provided useful information. In fact, victims were more likely to speak with the police when they did not have any information on their shooter. Respondents explained their choice not to cooperate by reference to “street codes” against snitching, mistrust of the police, and the desire to retaliate against the shooter personally. If more shooting victims could be persuaded to cooperate, the police could solve more cases and hence be more effective in curtailing gun violence.


The hilighted is kinda the point of all this.
 
Do you think police murders, like Breonna Taylor's, make the community more or less inclined to cooperate with police?

She wasn't murdered.

Do you believe calling the cop who accidentally killed her a murderer makes the community more or less inclined to cooperate with police?
 
What about the woman they shot through her first floor bedroom window when she looked out and saw them trespassing in her yard?
 
It is almost as if you are totally missing the point of black lives matter.

Before BLM scrubbed their website of some of their radical beliefs, they were explicit about their point. One was too abolish law enforcement, another was to abolish prisons.

Nothing was mentioned about reducing black-on-black homicides.

Apparently, not all black lives matter.
 
What about the woman they shot through her first floor bedroom window when she looked out and saw them trespassing in her yard?

Who is this "they" you speak of?

If you mean the cop who shot her, he's been arrested and charged with murder.
 
An update on the Austin shooting from this weekend that left 1 dead and 13 injured. Police have arrested two people, one of them under the age of 17 and the other was a 17-year-old who would look like Barack Obama's son if he had one.

He was arrested at summer school.

This must be the school to prison pipeline I keep hearing about.
 
Who is this "they" you speak of?

If you mean the cop who shot her, he's been arrested and charged with murder.

Not according to Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Breonna_Taylor

ETA: But.....not to derail....

I think it's disgraceful that an awful lot of murders of black people go unsolved. When blacks kill blacks, it's not worth the time/money/something to figure out who did it, and the stories are usually small print headlines on page two. It's just not something Americans, collectively, care about. The more I think about that, the more I think it's racist.

When I mentioned that a page ago, someone brought up a case where a black woman was killed by a white guy. That's important, but it isn't an either/or. All those people that Bogative has been mentioning are also important, and they shouldn't be ignored.
 
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Just in case anyone wonders, I think police reform is an important part of improving the situation, as is gun control. Mostly, though, I think it just has to be a priority. There are ways to lower crime other than throwing people in jail for longer sentences or depriving black people of civil rights by subjecting them to unreasonable search and seizures. They all take money, though.
 
Clown World

"In the FBI’s view, the top domestic violent extremist threat comes from racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists, specifically those who advocate for the superiority of the white race,” Garland said during a speech at the Justice Department.



Real World

4 killed, 4 injured in Chicago mass shooting
CHICAGO — Four people were killed and at least four others injured in a shooting on the city’s South Side, according to Chicago police.

Police said the shooting happened around 5:30 a.m. Tuesday in the 6200 block of South Morgan Street in Englewood. Neighbors said there was a party at the residence.
 
You are comparing apples to oranges. They are both real problems that require very different responses. We treat deaths (and the risk of death) from terrorism and hate crimes very differently and for good reason.


Yes, we definitely treat them differently but not for good reason. One is responsible for a mountain of dead bodies, the other is responsible for a molehill of dead bodies. We are ignoring the mountain while focusing on the molehill because racism is the left's current Hobbyhorse.
 
Yes, we definitely treat them differently but not for good reason. One is responsible for a mountain of dead bodies, the other is responsible for a molehill of dead bodies. We are ignoring the mountain while focusing on the molehill because racism is the left's current Hobbyhorse.

Terrorism, hopefully, will never rack up the kind of body count regular Americans do. Similarly, mass shootings account for a smaller proportion of gun violence than garden-variety gun violence. This is elementary.

We know that a higher proportion of Black people are murdered, and they're being killed by other Black people (most homicide is intra-racial). Also elementary.

So... what's driving it and what's the solution?
 
Not according to Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Breonna_Taylor

ETA: But.....not to derail....

I think it's disgraceful that an awful lot of murders of black people go unsolved. When blacks kill blacks, it's not worth the time/money/something to figure out who did it, and the stories are usually small print headlines on page two. It's just not something Americans, collectively, care about. The more I think about that, the more I think it's racist.

When I mentioned that a page ago, someone brought up a case where a black woman was killed by a white guy. That's important, but it isn't an either/or. All those people that Bogative has been mentioning are also important, and they shouldn't be ignored.

It's not something that people quoting black crime rate statistics care about either. There's very little interest from the right in solving this problem, it's just a pretext for beefing up already bloated police departments, instating blatantly racist and unconstitutional policies like NYC's "stop and frisk", and dogwhistling to white supremacists that believe that blacks are inherently criminal.

I would agree that the misery of impoverished and historically oppressed communities is not something that many people care about in this country, but that doesn't mean we have to give credence to blatantly bad-faith actors.

Protests responding to the police brutality against these communities has done a lot to encourage discourse about how to actually improve conditions, and much of that has focused on how increasingly the severity of policing does not help and that those resources could be better spent for greater impact.
 
Terrorism, hopefully, will never rack up the kind of body count regular Americans do. Similarly, mass shootings account for a smaller proportion of gun violence than garden-variety gun violence. This is elementary.

We know that a higher proportion of Black people are murdered, and they're being killed by other Black people (most homicide is intra-racial). Also elementary.

So... what's driving it and what's the solution?


The answer is elementary. Less guns equals less gun fatalities.

If we start now maybe we will make some progress by the end of the century. If we don't, expect nothing to change. Just because the solution seems almost impossible doesn't mean that it isn't the proper one.

My stepdad is ashamed to wear his NRA shirt in public now. That is a start. A giant public awareness (and shaming?) campaign to try and convince more people to give up their guns. I've changed my stance on guns and I no longer own one, others can too.

But how much more will it take to shame them? How many more deaths? News stories aren't enough. No, I'm talking about a massive public campaign unlike anything we've ever seen.

Once enough people feel the same way we can become more aggressive in the effort to get rid of them. It's a very long term goal.

There I said it out loud. Everyone says it's impossible to get rid of guns, I say we should try anyways. It's the only solution that I can see.

Yes, there are a lot of hurdles but we either work harder towards it, much harder, or forget it. Registering guns, counting bullets, it ain't gonna help. We need to focus all that BS into one campaign and one solution.

We quickly developed a vaccine to a deadly virus. We can do amazing things when we are forced to. We need to get people to realize we have reached that point with guns.

Seems like Fantasy Land. We can't even get people to see that a criminal jerkoff is not fit to be President. How do we convince them? Ya, I know.

But again, what other solution is there?

Oh well just an idea to work towards, and a very long term one. Sounds crazy, I do know this, but don't laugh if you don't have a better answer.
 
The answer is elementary. Less guns equals less gun fatalities.....

Oh well just an idea to work towards, and a very long term one. Sounds crazy, I do know this, but don't laugh if you don't have a better answer.


Meanwhile, in Texas today, Governor Abbott signed a new law allowing anyone to carry a gun in public, no pemits or training required. What could go wrong?


But I emphatically agree with your post. There is no political will at the moment, but the way I see the USA today is that every issue is not about the issue itself. Today, it is 100% partisan politics. Us versus them. I don't know why that happened, or how to get out of it, but sooner or later rational thought can return to the United States. At that point, we can have a real debate.

Meanwhile, at least we have this thread to keep up to date on body counts.


ETA: It occurs to me with that new Texas law, it is easier in Texas to carry a loaded gun than it is to vote. In somebody's mind, that makes sense.
 
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