Today's Mass Shooting

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JoeMorgue said:
My opinion on guns is... complicated.

I don't disagree with (American style lest we have the "bUt in uDDer CounTRIES dE AMERIAcan LEFt woULD be on Da RIGHt!" discussion again for no reason) liberals for the most part.

My issue is when they say "Oh no we don't want to ban gun"... I don't believe them. I think they are lying.
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Of course you do. Ignore what is said among Democratic leaders and make up your own version.

JoeMorgue said:
They can say "Oh we just want to outlaw assault weapons, or do background checks, or this, or that" all day but I don't think that's really their end goal.
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Based on what exactly?

JoeMorgue said:
Hairsplits at at what point something is "outlawed" aside I don't think there is a viable level of anything resembling American style gun ownership that they are comfortable with.

Which is fine if that's what they want, I just would admit it.
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So we should admit your imaginary version of Democratic legislative goals even if they are not true?


It would be wonderful if we had Canada, the UK, Australia's starting point with personal firearms. But there's no way that will ever happen here, so why would the Democratic mainstream ever think outlawing guns was a solution for the US? We don't. Maybe a few left-wing silly sorts do. Hey what about those left-wing AntiFas? Think they want an unarmed revolution? :rolleyes:


Let go of those fantasies pushed for political gain and take a look at the issues.

Good guys with guns is Russian backed NRA nonsense. Very rarely is there ever an example of this.

Too many gun deaths are occurring.

Some people believe owning that gun is their right and for them it makes them feel safer.​

These are the realities minus the propaganda. Feel free to add your own just don't push the BS.

Given those realities, what are the solutions?

The Democrats would at least like to make mass shooting rare. That means taking away the means to rapid fire dozens to hundreds of rounds.

Yes, some people think they need that fire power in case they need to fight the government. Well guess what, Waco and Ruby Ridge are evidence it ain't gonna happen no matter how much fire power people have.

There is no slippery slope, just like there ain't gonna be a standoff that successfully fights off the government forces.

So rather than fantasy, can we at least start with a few measures?
Better background checks and screening of gun buyers.
Eliminate devices be they large clips or rapid fire weapons.
Eliminate hollow-point (cop killer) ammo.
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There are more things we need to address the large number of gun murders in places like Chicago. Banning weapons is not a viable option.
 
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I remember when the right said concealed carry licenses were good because they required gun owners to take training and prove proficiency.

Now the right are pushing for "constitutional carry" for all.

Yeah, the left is the problem here.
 
Shalamar said:
Multiple shots fired at Westfield Southcenter mall in Tukwila, WA near Seattle.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/po...nter-mall-tukwila/25JS5LOAKJEWFPNVQOZQQFABKA/

Looks like two injured at the moment.

My wife and I were inside the mall when it happened. Store workers got us out quickly. Obviously trained for it.
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Glad you are okay.

Sad that mall workers must be trained in how to avoid an active shooter at work. We don't even see how insane this is because it has happened gradually over the years. We're used to it.
 
Shalamar said:
Multiple shots fired at Westfield Southcenter mall in Tukwila, WA near Seattle.

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/po...nter-mall-tukwila/25JS5LOAKJEWFPNVQOZQQFABKA/

Looks like two injured at the moment.

My wife and I were inside the mall when it happened. Store workers got us out quickly. Obviously trained for it.
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Yesterday's news. Today is three dead, one wounded, in a Wisconsin casino.


Seriously, though, glad you're ok. It's nuts. "How well did you handle the active shooter?" shouldn't be part of a performance evaluation for the shopping mall employee.
 
Meadmaker said:
Yesterday's news. Today is three dead, one wounded, in a Wisconsin casino.


Seriously, though, glad you're ok. It's nuts. "How well did you handle the active shooter?" shouldn't be part of a performance evaluation for the shopping mall employee.
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This. Especially glad Shalamar and Mrs. Shalamar are okay.
 
At least 25 people including a police officer have been killed in a shootout in Rio de Janeiro, according to local media.

The shootout took place during a police operation in a favela in the Jacarezinho area of the city.

Police launched the operation after receiving reports that drug traffickers were recruiting children for their gang.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-57013206

At least 25? Now that's a proper shoot-out.
 
Ian Osborne said:
I read a news article about that to my partner this morning. "Where was that?", she asked. "Where do you think it was?" She guessed correctly.
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I would have guessed Colorado.

Idaho brings a lot of pretty negative violent connotations quickly to mind, but school shootings isn't the first thing I think of when it comes to our Potatoes and White Nationalist Compound state.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I would have guessed Colorado.

Idaho brings a lot of pretty negative violent connotations quickly to mind, but school shootings isn't the first thing I think of when it comes to our Potatoes and White Nationalist Compound state.
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Never an opportunity missed, hmm? Never an opportunity missed...
 
Ian Osborne said:
I read a news article about that to my partner this morning. "Where was that?", she asked. "Where do you think it was?" She guessed correctly.
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She actually guessed Idaho?

If she guessed the US, a snarky Captain Obvious crack might be more appropriate.
 
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