Today's Mass Shooting

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Community mourns beloved doctor, family and worker who officials say were killed by former NFL player

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/08/us/york-county-south-carolina-mass-shooting/index.html

Phillip Adams, 32, shot two air conditioning technicians outside -- killing one -- then forced his way into Dr. Robert Lesslie's home in Rock Hill.

Lesslie, his wife, Barbara Lesslie, and two grandchildren, ages 5 and 9, were found shot to death in a back room.

Adams was later found dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound in the bedroom of a home about a half mile away that he shared with his parents.
 
Minnesota police officer meant to draw taser, not handgun in fatal shooting of Daunte Wright, authorities say

A US police officer who fatally shot a black man in his car in a Minneapolis suburb intended to fire a taser, not a handgun, the city's police chief said.

Brooklyn Center Police Chief Tim Gannon described the shooting death of 20-year-old Daunte Wright as "an accidental discharge".
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Let's be clear: there is no such thing as an accidental discharge of a firearm. There is only a negligent discharge.

The best thing that you can say about this officer is that they were negligent.
 
Multiple people shot at FedEx facility in Indianapolis. I used to work here.

So far apparently 5 people have died. Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department was going to give a briefing on one of the news outlets here but it's not showing up on Facebook live. I don't feel good about this, since metal detectors here were notoriously easy to get past. It's been a few years since I left but I have an uncomfortable feeling that they haven't tightened things up.

Will update with more, possibly from former coworkers.
 
arthwollipot said:
Minnesota police officer meant to draw taser, not handgun in fatal shooting of Daunte Wright, authorities say

Let's be clear: there is no such thing as an accidental discharge of a firearm. There is only a negligent discharge.

The best thing that you can say about this officer is that they were negligent.
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I'd just like to say, having handled most models of Glock and the X-26 the idea that one could mistake one for the other is ludicrous. She may have drawn the pistol working on 'muscle memory' but that is negligence and poor training.
 
catsmate said:
I'd just like to say, having handled most models of Glock and the X-26 the idea that one could mistake one for the other is ludicrous. She may have drawn the pistol working on 'muscle memory' but that is negligence and poor training.
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Police officers in the US are trained to use their gun without thinking. Just as we train soldiers to fire from muscle memory.

I watched a documentary on UK police tactics. They were pulling over suspected stolen vehicles and just talking to the occupants. In the US this is always done with drawn weapons and barking orders. Often contradictory orders from multiple officers.
 
Venom said:
One witness says he thought he saw an employee go for their trunk during the rampage, possibly to retrieve their own weapon but that "9 out of 10 times" that doesn't work out in real life.
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I don't know how people miss the fact that the "good guy with the gun" starts out at a huge disadvantage in these scenarios. The shooter has the weapon at hand and knows what's going on.

In all the mass shootings that have occurred in the US, I can only remember one where the "good guy with the gun" actually managed to improve the situation. At one of the church shootings in Texas, a "good guy with a gun" returned fire and drove the shooter away. So, the result was only a couple of dozen dead, instead of more.

I may have some details wrong. All of these incidents of mass murders of strangers all blend together. I think there was only one mass shooting at a church in Texas. The other big random mass shooting at a church was in Tennessee. And of course there was the massacre perpetrated in a church by Dylan Roof, but that wasn't just some random spree shooting attacking strangers. That one had a specific motivation so that's in a different category. There was the Pittsburgh area synagogue, but synagogues aren't churches, so I couldn't be confusing that one.

So, I think I must be thinking of the only mass shooting at a church in Texas, and the actions of the good guy with the gun kept the death toll at 25 or so.

It just seems like if we are depending on good guys with guns, it doesn't seem to be working out so well.



Reports from this mass shooting, which will blend into all the others within a few weeks, except for people like Venom who have a personal connection, is that the good guy tried to retrieve his gun, but he was shot. That's unconfirmed so far.

ETA: And, my mistake. There was another Texas church mass shooting, but that one only killed two people, plus the gunman. The gunman was taken out by a good guy with a gun, but the good guy was specifically a member of the church security team so, although a volunteer, he was specifically doing security duty and armed specifically for that purpose. Definitely a good guy with a gun, but not a random happened to be in the neighborhood with his gun.
 
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Someone made the point that they recommended/implemented a pause on the J&J Covid vaccine because 8 people died and they couldn't even prove the vaccine caused the blood clots.
 
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