Today's Mass Shooting

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The Houston Police chief said on Facebook, among other things:

"I will continue to speak up and will stand up for what my heart and my God commands me to do, and I assure you he hasn’t instructed me to believe that gun-rights are bestowed by him"
and
"This isn’t a time for prayers, and study and inaction, it’s a time for prayers, action and the asking of God’s forgiveness for our inaction (especially the elected officials that ran to the cameras today, acted in a solemn manner, called for prayers, and will once again do absolutely nothing)."
 
Paddock at Las Vegas, NV - no known motive.
Cruz at Parkland, FL - no known motive.
Pagourtzis at Santa Fe, TX - no known motive.
 
LTC8K6 said:
I think Pagourtzis' motive is probably related to the girl he bothered for months. She finally got tired of it and embarrassed him in class.
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I would agree but we have 9 other dead people and many injured. Those people weren't preventing him from killing her alone and then stopping.

Maybe his main goal was to kill her and thought to kill himself afterwards but decided that he could use the event to also kill a bunch of other kids he hated. Get them all at once and then suicide.

He wrote about the plan in personal journals on his computer and phone, so maybe those reveal a motive.

He told investigators that he acted alone and had no accomplices. I don't know the current status of the two other detained students.

Explosives: I read that there were CO2 canisters wrapped in duct tape. A pressure cooker loaded with nails and a clock, but no explosive material inside. A Molotov cocktail. I don't know what is confirmed.
 
William Parcher said:
Paddock at Las Vegas, NV - no known motive.
Cruz at Parkland, FL - no known motive.
Pagourtzis at Santa Fe, TX - no known motive.
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It's almost as though guns are the main problem.

And that moody teenagers and guns are a really bad mix
 
jimbob said:
It's almost as though guns are the main problem.

And that moody teenagers and guns are a really bad mix
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Only in the USA can a pissed off teenager find it pretty easy to get guns and lots of ammo. Only one country in the western world has let that happen.

When Finland had two school shootings, they acted. When Scotland had one, the whole UK acted. When the USA has tons, there is a lot of talk and no one acts.

That is why I came to the conclusion a while back that as much as the USA would like the problem to stop, it cannot do it. Like someone who has had their leg amputated, it is too late. They have instead to learn to cope.
 
TofuFighter said:
The Houston Police chief said on Facebook, among other things:

"I will continue to speak up and will stand up for what my heart and my God commands me to do, and I assure you he hasn’t instructed me to believe that gun-rights are bestowed by him"
and
"This isn’t a time for prayers, and study and inaction, it’s a time for prayers, action and the asking of God’s forgiveness for our inaction (especially the elected officials that ran to the cameras today, acted in a solemn manner, called for prayers, and will once again do absolutely nothing)."
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Good for him.
 
Nessie said:
Only in the USA can a pissed off teenager find it pretty easy to get guns and lots of ammo. Only one country in the western world has let that happen.

When Finland had two school shootings, they acted. When Scotland had one, the whole UK acted. When the USA has tons, there is a lot of talk and no one acts.

That is why I came to the conclusion a while back that as much as the USA would like the problem to stop, it cannot do it. Like someone who has had their leg amputated, it is too late. They have instead to learn to cope.
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Wasn't he almost 18? At that point he could buy all the pump shotguns he wanted. They don't cost much and he would have passed the required background check.
 
jimbob said:
It's almost as though guns are the main problem.

And that moody teenagers and guns are a really bad mix
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I was thinking the NRA is right, it's not guns: It's males.

Gun ownership should be limited to females and males should only be allowed to posses a gun in the presence of a female who is licensed in dealing with the fragile male ego and capricious nature of the male psyche. That is the only way we should trust boys and men with guns in our society.
 
Nessie said:
When Finland had two school shootings, they acted. When Scotland had one, the whole UK acted. When the USA has tons, there is a lot of talk and no one acts.
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Typical gun ban advocate ignoring the actions of thousands of Americans who have not only have thoughts about and make prayers for the victims but have even publicly tweeted and posted on Facebook those same Ts&Ps*.



*Sorry had to shorten "Thoughts and Prayers", when you have to send so many as a result of freely accessible guns it gets tiring writing it out in full.
 
Just in case there is any doubt, I am not a gun ban advocate.

I do not think there was any point to banning the types of guns that were outlawed after the mass shootings here. The real solution was tightening the vetting procedure to make it even more unlikely someone unsuitable would be allowed to possess a firearm.
 
School shooting in a MIDDLE SCHOOL in Noblesville, Indiana, today.

No one died, so, meh....

(teacher without a gun stopped it, but was shot in the process)
 
Just popping in to show this latest article on CNN claiming that there has been a school shooting every week this year.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/02/us/school-shootings-2018-list-trnd/index.html

I guess we will have to argue whether or not this is what people think of when they hear "school shooting". I don't and I think the headline is ridiculous and dishonest. I came up with 10 out of 23.

A student shot another student with a BB gun in Gloversville Middle School.

A man was shot in the stomach in the parking lot of Raytown South Middle School during a track meet.

A teacher accidentally discharged a gun during a public safety class at Seaside High School, injuring a student.

One person was hospitalized after a shooting at an apartment building on the campus of the University of South Alabama.

One student was killed and another critically wounded after an accidental shooting during dismissal time at Huffman High School. Police wouldn't elaborate further. [okay maybe this one but it was accidental]

A student was shot inside a dormitory at Jackson State University. His injuries were not life-threatening. [can't find more info, so maybe. accidental?]

Two people were shot to death at a dormitory on the campus of Central Michigan University. The victims were not students and police think the incident stemmed from a domestic situation.

A student at Norfolk State University was shot from an adjacent dorm room while he was doing homework. He was not seriously injured.

A fight led to a shooting in the parking lot of Lincoln High School, fatally wounding a 32-year-old man.

A Winston-Salem State University football player, Najee Ali Baker, was shot to death at a party on the campus of Wake Forest University.
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So that is 13 school shootings this year not 23. I'm sure everyone here will agree with me haha :D

And no, 13 is not good either, but I do prefer honest reporting so that we may have quality discourse on this fine forum of ours.

I think 13 or 23 school shootings is disgusting. I think lying about it with such a headline is pretty bad as well.

ETA: Sorry I'd forgotten about the BB shooting so I added it. That's 10 fake news shootings ;) now not 9, and 13 total school shootings.

ETA2: that a few shootings could fall into the category and I noted them above.
 
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I don't want to keep editing that post, so to be clear, I do not think the shootings in that list fall into the school shooting category.

An accidental discharge by an instructor is not a school shooting as we know it. We know what a school shooting is, it is Columbine, Sandy Hook, etc.

And these headlines get repeated over and over by those who don't bother to look at the article themselves. 23 is the narrative, too late for facts.
 
mgidm86 said:
I don't want to keep editing that post, so to be clear, I do not think the shootings in that list fall into the school shooting category.

An accidental discharge by an instructor is not a school shooting as we know it. We know what a school shooting is, it is Columbine, Sandy Hook, etc.

And these headlines get repeated over and over by those who don't bother to look at the article themselves. 23 is the narrative, too late for facts.
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School shooting is people shot at school. Mass school shooting is many people shot at school. Saying theys arent school shootings even though they are shootings at school is dishonest and highlights the growing apathy in the US. Is it not an assault if I stab someone in a non vital area with a small toothpick or pin instead of a shank or a knife?
Why are guns in this volume accessable to people at school whether they are incompetent or not?
 
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