Today's Mass Shooting

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smartcooky said:
This was not a spree-shooting, it was a riot.
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It was a riot, can you back that up with a source? Also, I never said it was a spree shooting.



This was not a spree-shooting, this was a bar fight
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It was a bar fight that turned into a mass shooting.

I know what you are up to here. You're trying to derail the thread with posts about gang-bangers and other assorted criminals shooting each other up.
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Yeah, about that, I just checked the title of the thread again and one of the two of us has a problem with reading comprehension. It's not me.

I know what you are up to here. You only want to discuss spree shootings and ignore the hundreds of mass shootings that occur every year. I have strong suspicions as to why.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
If you don't differentiate between at least some of these types of shootings, then what is the point? Whining about how awful things are?

Splitting off into different discussions, for example one discussion about how you are more likely to be shot/killed by someone you know than a stranger?

A discussion about gang violence?

Drunken brawls that end in shootouts?

Do you really think these are all the same?
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Whether it is spree shootings, mass shootings, drive-by shootings, gang-related shootings, home invasion shootings, familicide etc., they are all being used to oppose the Second Amendment.
 
xjx388 said:
In the sense that they are all mass shootings in public that kill and injure people? Yes, they are all the same. I don’t care if my loved one is killed by a lone nut or as collateral damage from a gang shootout, the grief and horror of it all is the same, isn’t it?
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Using a gun to cause grief and horror is a pretty big umbrella. Meanwhile, lone nuts and gang shoot outs are pretty different problems to solve.
 
xjx388 said:
In the sense that they are all mass shootings in public that kill and injure people? Yes, they are all the same. I don’t care if my loved one is killed by a lone nut or as collateral damage from a gang shootout, the grief and horror of it all is the same, isn’t it?
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So this thread is to bitch and moan then, nothing to learn here.
 
Thermal said:
{Eta: the only "figures" I introduced were the common knowledge info about Appalachia, which had nothing to do with black people. It demonstrates that poverty is not a standalone explanation of violent crime in a given demographic}
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But nobody claimed it was. We've just asserted that poverty is a significant factor, substantively ignored by the statistics you like to post (or repeat, same difference). Population density is a significant factor - also ignored by arguments like "but Appalachia".

Thermal said:
You're a liar. I've said a thousand times, in this and other threads, that I think violence in the black community is the fallout of generational racism, resulting in poor educational systems and lack of meaningful opportunities, among other factors.
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("other factors" definitely not including or involving poverty though, because Appalachia)

Yeah I really don't think you've said that thousands of times. I don't think you've even said that dozens of times. I'm not one of those people who creepy-stalks others' posting histories; but I'm struggling to think of another time I've seen you actually, directly, straightforwardly and explicitly, state such an opinion. If you had, there'd be no room for misunderstandings.

Thermal said:
You might want to get your head out of your ass and read up. Several posters here (and I imagine some who are silent) share my position. My position is: can't we talk about these things without the endless posturing and the lying?
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Facts, opinions, and conclusions that don't agree with yours aren't "lies". This "Boo hoo, I'm the only objectively interested and honest person here and everyone else is just a lying liar pretending to care" rhetoric is tired.

Thermal said:
White people are not "always" the shooter. Data shows the opposite.
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No, the data shows that white people are merely usually the shooter in mass shootings, until someone tries to play definition-games with "mass shooting" (and, actually, even then) - or until somebody changes the subject from mass shootings to some other topic altogether and pronounces that "well, [different] crime is mostly committed by blacks".

Thermal said:
"Poverty" is not the reason for high rates of black crime; data shows huge areas of white poverty which do not have an exponential spike.
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Nobody ever said it was "the" reason. It's just one reason among many, one which is rarely brought up and aggressively dismissed by people like you when it is.

Thermal said:
An observer could get his head out of his ass and read the posts, and stop trying to mind read. That would take intellectual honesty, though. I'm not holding my breath.
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I seem to remember predicting exactly this kind of objection in another thread when you demanded people "stop being so literal" when interpreting your posts; it's almost uncanny.
 
Checkmite said:
So then what do you believe is the explanation for all the statistics you love to post, since you obviously reject the expert analysis that it is a combination of things like poverty, population density, income disparity, systemic racial oppression, and so forth?
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Don't know for sure. I just pay attention to the data and point out obvious lies and misconceptions. Look at this thread as an example, even though it is three years old, there are still a lot of people here who believe whites are responsible for most mass shootings. Just doing my small part to end the bunk.
 
Bogative said:
Here you go.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

The US is currently at 109 mass shootings so far this year. It is a warm spring weekend so I suspect there will be a few more added to the total before Monday morning.
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GVA updated shortly after this was posted. There have been 110 mass shootings this year.

This was also in da club near Yazoo City, Mississippi. 7 injured in a shooting that police believe could be tied to the murder of a 13 year old boy earlier this month.

https://www.wlbt.com/2021/03/27/multiple-people-shot-yazoo-co-nightclub/
 
Dial down the accusations of lying, please.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Agatha
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
Well, unless there is some massive conspiracy to suppress the media in the whole of Europe, just the news of the past decades would be the confirmation you request?
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I can't speak for the whole of Europe, but I can confirm with some degree of confidence that we don't have weekly mass shootings in the UK. I'm pretty sure I would have heard of it if we did.
 
Matthew Best said:
I can't speak for the whole of Europe, but I can confirm with some degree of confidence that we don't have weekly mass shootings in the UK. I'm pretty sure I would have heard of it if we did.
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Population of United States: 334 million
Number of guns per 100 persons: 120.5
Mass shootings in 2020: 611 (446 dead, 2,515 wounded)


Population of European Union: 513 million
Number of guns per 100 persons: 15.6
Mass shootings in 2020: 4 (25 dead, 31 wounded)


Gee whizz... now I wonder what the difference could possibly be?

https://abcnews.go.com/US/graphics-story-mass-shootings-pandemic/story?id=76628491


"....part of the mass shooting equation is just the sheer number of firearms in the United States, where Americans own more guns per capita than any other nation in the world. The widespread availability of guns is what creates as a society the opportunity for these kind of acts to happen."... over 46% of all the civilian guns in the world are owned by the citizens of a country that contains just 4.25% of the world's population.

"We've seen an unprecedented increase in gun purchasing, beginning last year. Gun buying spiked in the spring, summer and fall of 2020, culminating in Americans purchased a record-breaking 3.9 million guns last December, according to FBI background check data. In total, the 39.7 million guns purchased last year mark the highest sales total in at least two decades." Then in January 2021, American gut buyers broke the monthly record again, purchasing 4.3 million.

https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/Cha...cks_v07_DAP_1616538886353_hpEmbed_1x1_992.jpg
 
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Lukraak_Sisser said:
Well, unless there is some massive conspiracy to suppress the media in the whole of Europe, just the news of the past decades would be the confirmation you request?
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Stalling because you don't have evidence of weekly mass shootings in the US?

Perhaps you meant something else:
Luk said:
But one of the problems Europe does not have is daily gang shootouts and near weakly random mass shootings in public places.
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This is your 4th post not providing any evidence whatsoever.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
So this thread is to bitch and moan then, nothing to learn here.
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I think any mass shooting teaches us the same lesson. Whether an unhinged individual can easily buy a gun and shoot up a grocery store or criminals and gangs have easy access to guns or even regular people have easy access to guns and sometimes snap...the lesson there seems pretty obvious.

So I guess it all does come down to bitching and moaning, the only thing that seems to be at issue is: what exactly the bitching and moaning is supposed to be about in this thread?
 
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