Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)

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Susheel said:
Yup...let's all have faith in the fact that "the good guy" might actually do something useful in the situation and not add collateral.
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In the search for a silver lining to any tragedy, I will agree that it might occasionally be much safer for a goodguywithagun to shoot than for a pack of cops to do so.
 
sarge said:
In the search for a silver lining to any tragedy, I will agree that it might occasionally be much safer for a goodguywithagun to shoot than for a pack of cops to do so.
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Well, if the USA had a bit more sense re: gun laws, one needn't go around sifting through blood and gore for a "silver lining".
 
The man who shot and killed the IN mall shooter had illegally brought his gun into the mall.

A 22-year-old armed bystander is being praised as a hero for using a gun he brought inside the Greenwood Park Mall, in spite of a policy prohibiting weapons at the site, to kill a mass shooter who opened fire on shoppers at the mall's food court Sunday.
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But, the presence of the guns — by both the initial gunman and the man who shot him — has drawn attention to the mall's no-weapons policy and raised questions on social media about concealed carry inside of businesses that prohibit guns.
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https://www.indystar.com/story/news...policy-bystander-carried-legally/65375923007/
 
Stacyhs said:
The man who shot and killed the IN mall shooter had illegally brought his gun into the mall.



https://www.indystar.com/story/news...policy-bystander-carried-legally/65375923007/
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Not against the law, just against the private policy of the mall. I am amazed at how many people don't recognize what a hero this kid is. Seriously he neutralized the shooter in 15 seconds. He put 8 out of 10 shots in the perp at 40 yards with a handgun. That would be a solid outing at the range with no fear and a stationary target.:thumbsup:

Yes it would have been better if nobody at the mall had had guns. But in this instance it was a damn good thing there was a second guy with a gun.
 
Planigale said:
I am a bit confused here in the UK. So we have someone in possession of an illegal fire arm who has shot and killed someone, and he did not get shot by the US police? Was he white?
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FFS.

He didn't have the gun in his hand, smoke still coming out of it when the cops arrived. He approached mall security, told them he was the one who shot the attacker, and waited for the police with them. He fully cooperated with police as they tried to piece together what happened.
 
Venom said:
FFS.

He didn't have the gun in his hand, smoke still coming out of it when the cops arrived. He approached mall security, told them he was the one who shot the attacker, and waited for the police with them. He fully cooperated with police as they tried to piece together what happened.
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Yes, and it's likely lucky for him that he had finished before the cops arrived, whatever color he was. But as it happens, he was white.
 
bruto said:
Yes, and it's likely lucky for him that he had finished before the cops arrived, whatever color he was. But as it happens, he was white.
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If it was the Uvalde police, they probably would have stopped outside the mall, foiled by the no weapons policy.
 
Venom said:
FFS.

He didn't have the gun in his hand, smoke still coming out of it when the cops arrived. He approached mall security, told them he was the one who shot the attacker, and waited for the police with them. He fully cooperated with police as they tried to piece together what happened.
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‘He was white’ is a far better explanation for why the cops did not shoot him than what you wrote.

His actions were heroic and the outcome was about as good as it gets when two guys, one bad, one violating a property owners rights, with a gun converge in a mall.
 
Samson said:
Yes a much needed win for the gun lobby.
Responsible citizen legally carrying gun kills formerly responsible citizen legally carrying gun.
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This needs to be emphasized. In many cases the shooter is a 'law abiding' citizen up to the moment of pulling the trigger. The gun lobby wants us to think that the status of "law abiding" is some immutable characteristic.
 
Brainster said:
Not against the law, just against the private policy of the mall.
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True.

I am amazed at how many people don't recognize what a hero this kid is. Seriously he neutralized the shooter in 15 seconds. He put 8 out of 10 shots in the perp at 40 yards with a handgun. That would be a solid outing at the range with no fear and a stationary target.:thumbsup:
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I don't think anyone is not recognizing that this young man is a hero and undoubtedly saved many lives. Where did you get that idea from?


Yes it would have been better if nobody at the mall had had guns. But in this instance it was a damn good thing there was a second guy with a gun.
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In this instance, yes, but the "good guy with a gun" scenario is still very rare in reality. It does not make up for the fact that less guns in the hands of civilians would lead to far fewer deaths.

Of all the wrenching similarities between the massacres at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, the Walmart in El Paso and the Tops supermarket in Buffalo, one stands out most starkly: Each gun used was purchased legally.

From 1966 to 2019, 77 percent of mass shooters obtained the weapons they used in their crimes through legal purchases, according to a comprehensive survey of law enforcement data, academic papers and news accounts compiled by the National Institute of Justice, the research wing of the Justice Department.
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One by one, Republican-controlled state legislatures have enacted laws to undo existing gun regulations that place restrictions on the purchase and carrying of firearms, while some states, like Missouri, are challenging the federal government’s right to impose any regulation on firearms.

The biggest threat to gun control looms just over the horizon: Over the next month or two, the Supreme Court is expected to strike down all or part of a New York State law that curtails the concealed possession of a gun without a special permit, a case seen as a potential landmark decision that could invalidate dozens of similar laws in liberal-leaning states.
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The SC did exactly that after this article was written. Since then, more mass shootings have occurred. The Uvalde shooter killed 19 children and two adults with a legally bought AR15 on his 18th birthday.

It's not known yet if the Indiana mall shooter bought his gun legally yet. However, the gun he did use was a Sig Sauer model M400 5.56 caliber rifle :

The AR-15 style gun, which has been described as a "weapon of choice" for mass shooters, was used by the killers in the 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, the 2017 Las Vegas shooting, the 2017 Sutherland Springs church shooting, the 2018 Stoneman Douglas High School shooting and, most recently, at the 2022 Robb Elementary School shooting in Uvalde, Texas.
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https://www.indystar.com/story/news...-shooting-ar-15-style-rifle-used/65376399007/
 
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