Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)

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I see it is still utterly perplexing to some why the shooting incidents with the highest number of casualties get the most news coverage.
 
dudalb said:
I am really tron by Gun Control;I think guns are too easy to get, but I also think , with democracy in danger in the US,that guns in private hands might well be the last defense against tyranny. I am sure I am not the only thus torn.
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So far, I don't see tons of US citizens getting ready to take arms against their government, even though many consider the system rigged and manipulated by a minority, and see some of their fundamental rights being endangered.

Privately owned guns as the 'last defense against tyranny' ? That's a nice lullaby, but the real issue is that most people won't recognize a tyranny before it is too late to overthrow it. And even so, most simply won't take the risk of fighting it individually.

And that also ignores an even more fundamental issue: if you, as an opponent to the tyran, got weapons, it necessarily means that the supporters of the regime too. So a solution against tyranny would be to dive right into a civil war, where your main enemy is likely not the government, but your nextdoor neighbour who has opposite political opinions, I guess?

Is that really how you expect democracy to be saved ?
 
dudalb said:
I am really tron by Gun Control;I think guns are too easy to get, but I also think , with democracy in danger in the US,that guns in private hands might well be the last defense against tyranny. I am sure I am not the only thus torn.
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Given that the people on the other side of the fence own about 90% of the guns, I wouldn't look forward to it as much as you do if I were insane enough to live in America.
 
lauwenmark said:
So far, I don't see tons of US citizens getting ready to take arms against their government, even though many consider the system rigged and manipulated by a minority, and see some of their fundamental rights being endangered.

Privately owned guns as the 'last defense against tyranny' ? That's a nice lullaby, but the real issue is that most people won't recognize a tyranny before it is too late to overthrow it. And even so, most simply won't take the risk of fighting it individually.

And that also ignores an even more fundamental issue: if you, as an opponent to the tyran, got weapons, it necessarily means that the supporters of the regime too. So a solution against tyranny would be to dive right into a civil war, where your main enemy is likely not the government, but your nextdoor neighbour who has opposite political opinions, I guess?



Is that really how you expect democracy to be saved ?
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As a last resort, in all else fails, yes, I would rather see a Civil War then a dictatorship go unchallenged.
I am not a pacifist; I think there are times when there are worse things then war.
 
dudalb said:
I am really tron by Gun Control;I think guns are too easy to get, but I also think , with democracy in danger in the US,that guns in private hands might well be the last defense against tyranny. I am sure I am not the only thus torn.
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Shooting at the police isn't going to save democracy, really.
 
They picked up the guy, labeled a "Person of Interest" until he can be questioned and events verified. It must be said -- he's white and he's still alive.
 
Nah; "crim" isn't a common slang term here in the US like it is elsewhere in the Anglosphere.

On the other hand, if the police have actually released a name, brace for the usual gush of phony screenshots and social media profiles "proving" that the shooter is [the bad ideology]. Ignore the 4channers and wait for vetted reports.
 
dudalb said:
I am really tron by Gun Control;I think guns are too easy to get, but I also think , with democracy in danger in the US,that guns in private hands might well be the last defense against tyranny. I am sure I am not the only thus torn.
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I'm starting to think less and less about gun control and more about the whole culture of violence with a good fifth to sixth of the country stuck on 1776 mode and a majority still supporting the death penalty.

As for rampage type shootings, as mentioned a lot here already, rampage killings big picture have been on the rise the last few decades possibly as social contagion. The mass media of recent times has made it easier to embolden this kind of killer. And within the phenomenon there are examples of white-identity extremist elements that we may start to see more of as well.
 
Checkmite said:
Nah; "crim" isn't a common slang term here in the US like it is elsewhere in the Anglosphere.
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I've only seen it written. Can anyone tell me how it's being pronounced? By my regular rules of thumb for English pronunciation, I'd say "crime-o" but I can see if they might say "creem-o".
 
arthwollipot said:
"creem-o".
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That's how the local news media is pronouncing it.

Here's a picture of the shooter:
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alfaniner said:
They picked up the guy, labeled a "Person of Interest" until he can be questioned and events verified. It must be said -- he's white and he's still alive.
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No, it mustn't be said because the implication is complete bullocks.
 
dudalb said:
As a last resort, in all else fails, yes, I would rather see a Civil War then a dictatorship go unchallenged.
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And how exactly would you be sure that a "popular armed revolution" would lead to a democracy, and not to a dictatorship?

Because that works both ways: you seem to only consider the scenario of "armed good guys raise and fight the evil empire". But the opposite narrative is also possible: "armed bad guys raise and overthrow the democratic republic". That's actually what Jan 6th clowns had in mind - thanks gods most of them were dumb as dirt; how would that turn out with a better-organized group?

What makes you so sure that US citizens are, on average, more honest, objective, incorruptible, than an organized government?

I am not a pacifist; I think there are times when there are worse things then war.
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Worse than a war with no leadership, led by citizens whose primary driving motive will be hatred towards political ideas and its supporters, in a highly polarized society with deep-rooted racial issues? What do you think would be the most likely result of this?
 
I'd love to hear more about how they caught him--was he spotted on security cameras? Him getting away would be absolutely the nightmare scenario--a spree shooter who actually managed to elude capture. He's apparently a rapper and actually has an IMDB page based on millions of plays for one of his songs.
 
Brainster said:
I'd love to hear more about how they caught him--was he spotted on security cameras?
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I have to imagine he was. When authorities announced his name and photo they also gave a description and a license plate number for the vehicle he was believed to be driving. It's not proscriptive but I suspect they were able to identify him because cameras caught the vehicle and plate as he escaped.
 
One of Crimo’s videos appears to be recorded by him as he waits among a crowd for a presidential motorcade to pass. Photos that appear to show Crimo attending a rally for former president Donald Trump have also surfaced, but it is not clear from his online postings that he was a supporter of Trump or any other political party or candidate.
“He was immersed in fringe internet culture. But nothing uncovered so far suggests a clear political or ideological motive,” said Emerson T. Brooking, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council’s Digital Forensic Research Lab, which studies how information spreads online.
Man arrested in Highland Park shooting depicted violence in music videos (WP, July 5, 2022)
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Really? Nothing at all?!
 
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